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  • Artificial intelligence could end mankind

    , Richard.Hein wrote

    *snip*

    This is the problem of identity, and the philosophers debate continues.  If you can substitute in place, one cell at a time with a machine, as Descartes wrote, then eventually you could be replaced with a machine.  Descartes believed everything then was rational and man was a machine.  We lived under that idea for a while - and still do - but Godel proved it wrong.  The universe is not all rational, and the Incompleteness Theorem proves it. 

    No, it doesn't. The Incompleteness Theorem is about mathematical logic, not about the universe, or reality. It's like saying that something cannot happen because it would violate the rules of chess (or poker, for that matter).

  • Artificial intelligence could end mankind

    , JohnAskew wrote

    *snip*

    You are making the assumption that a tiny computer has the capability of replacing anything sentient. That's my problem with this. It simply can't. We can plug electrodes into our brain and use prosthetics, but that's not the same. There is no tiny computer that can replace a single ganglion, or a set of nerves that work in tandem. That's science fiction.

    Now I lost you. First off, Is a single neuron sentient? Is an E.Coli? Why? (please don't answer "because it collapses wave functions" or we are back to square one).

  • Artificial intelligence could end mankind

    @JohnAskew:

    Simple thought experiment. Imagine that I undergo some exotic surgery in which a few of my brain cells get replaced with a tiny computer emulating exactly the behavior of those cells. Same connections, same reaction to stimuli, same timing.

    The next day, a few more cells get replaced, and so on and on until my brain is completely made of silicon and firmware.

    Would I still be intelligent at this point?

    If no, care to guess when and why I ceased to be?

  • Interesting Items from CES

    , Ian2 wrote

    Looks like the \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\usb \stick PC's are already on sale in the UK, then I saw this....

    A Full PC inside a mouse.  Sweet, if it has an i7 with 16GB ...

    http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/news/mouse-box-entire-pc-mouse

    What are you supposed to do for the keyboard, though? It's hard to go unnoticed when there are two cables protruding out of your mouse...

    Seriously, bonus points for thinking out of the box, but I cannot think of any reasonable situation where a smartphone wouldn't be more convenient.

  • C# 7.0 may bring some M# goodness

    , BitFlipper wrote

    *snip*

    Is it even possible to have a router that doesn't run on some form of OS, no matter how basic it is? If it has any IO I'm sure it will be classified as an OS. Even if you wrote it yourself from scratch, it is still an OS, right?

    It depends. Just because your program runs on the bare metal it doesn't mean it's an OS. As a bare minimum it would also have to define an API that other programs can use, right?

    , androidi wrote

    @Blue Ink: Well if OS is defined as something that runs programs that can be added and removed which provide features the end user of the OS uses, then I suppose having an OS in a router would be more of a feature that some might want.

    *snip*

    My point is that when the application domain is very well defined, one can use the extra knowledge to make assumptions that no general purpose OS would be allowed to make.

    That produces devices that run faster and/or burn less energy. And might even be more secure, if anything because there are fewer moving parts, but that's not always a given.

  • C# 7.0 may bring some M# goodness

    , androidi wrote

    Much nicerer-er would of course be to have a home router that runs OS that has minimal amount of unsafe language in it.

    *snip*

    Why use an OS at all in a router?

  • Google Surface

    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, that's a whole lot of flattery.

  • Tom Warren (The Verge) and Ed Bott (zdnet) give up on WP. msft's karma??

    , fanbaby wrote

    Soon using patents will be all that's left

    Hmm... so, Microsoft wields its patents against Android OEMs. The laws of karma make two pundits ditch their WP and get themselves *drumroll* an iPhone 6.

  • Artificial intelligence could end mankind

    , JohnAskew wrote

    "Exactly how can you be immortal when I can simply unplug your power cord?"

        "I hope you like Harry Potter references, because I made seven backups."

    In the cloud, obviously.

    Seriously though, the point is we tend to imagine an AI as some sort of human replica made of silicon and bits, which is reflected in the Turing Test.

    The problem is that the single attribute of immortality (not in the strictest sense of the word, but close enough) would make any AI as inhuman as anything we can possibly imagine, except maybe for some obscure deity.

    We wouldn't share the same needs, goals, priorities, heck we wouldn't even be competing for the same resources, with the possible exception of energy. And even if we did, the AI wouldn't even need to compete: it can just slow down in a corner and wait patiently until we finally go extinct.

    Pretty much like a teenager.

  • Artificial intelligence could end mankind

    , JohnAskew wrote

    Intelligence includes the irrational, which computers are incapable of sensing whatsoever. Intelligence includes the arts, which computers are incapable of enjoying. Intelligence includes unconscious communication among humans, and what sensor can do that for a box?

    [...]

    Every time I hear that argument, I picture something like this:

    "Hi, I'm a human being"
        "And I'm an AI"
    "I can be happy, and sad, and any way in between"
        "And I'm immortal"
    "I can write music, and poetry, and I have a sense of humor"
        "Still immortal here"
    "That's nice, but I can do romance, burn with passion, suffer the pangs of despised love and all that"
        "Right. Did I mention I'm immortal?"
    "Yes, you did, and it's getting boring."
        "Funny, because I never get bored. Which is a good thing because, you know, immortal"

    :)