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  • Windows 8 - First Impressions (that you didnt ask for!)

    +1 for the need of a better task switcher. Even Mango is light years ahead.

    On a side note, it seems that Win8 tablets won't have the mandatory hardware buttons of WP, so the experience between phone and tablet won't be that seamless. No big deal, but I think they missed an opportunity here.

    As for the desktop, I don't think we will have an MS sanctioned start menu replacement, or even just an option. I'm only guessing, of course, but if they introduced that, everybody would just end up living entrenched in the desktop environment (like everybody wanted to turn off the UAC in Vista) and Metro would become a lonely place like Media Center. Goodbye Metro apps, goodbye store, goodbye developer opportunities. I don't think they'll let this happen.

     

  • Why all the C/C++ interest all of a sudden?

    ,TomboRombo wrote

    It would be nice for someone who thinks they will be using C++ to write Metro Apps to chime in and tell me what advantage you buy.   Dont tell me portability or you cannot learn C#.   I think you guys are hitting the nail on the head that .NET is legacy.  This story is still fuzzy right now.

    Here's one... as for the advantages, let's just say that C++ is the stick shift of computer programming Smiley

    Seriously, it's a matter of personal preference and of being able to use the right tool for the job. Or at least one of the right tools for the job. It's also a matter of welcoming as many developers as possible to the new platform, letting them use their weapon of choice.

    Might not work as intended, but I think it beats the "Objective C only, please" kind of policy hands down.

  • Hello from Windows 8

    @new2STL: didn't install Win 8 yet, but my understanding is that you can bring up the "charms" menu with the mouse by pointing at the lower left corner of the screen (where the start menu used to be). Maybe the swipe from the right is just a touch thing?

  • Build - The Discussion

    @spivonious: it depends on what you mean by ".NET". To me (and I guess to quite a few developers out there), .NET is a set of languages, libraries and technologies; the CLR is just an implementation detail. They already made major changes to the CLR in the past, I don't see why this should be any different.

  • Native BCL

    @Minh: you are right, unfortunately. Only one day to go and the name of the conference is still clearly commented out even on its website.

  • WP Mango and device drivers

    @W3bbo: hmm... if that's what came across, my English must have become a trainwreck. My apologies.

    I'll try to rephrase:

    I installed the (official) developer Mango build on the (official) Samsung firmware. All went well, but the compass doesn't work. It wasn't supported in NoDo and it isn't mandatory for Mango, so things may stay as they are, for all I know.

    The presence of a new leaked firmware, with compass support, indicates that Samsung may release a new firmware someday. If that's not included with the Mango RTM update, though, I would rather not rush the release of my little augmented reality app.

    And for the record: I'm not complaining Smiley

  • WP Mango and device drivers

    I recently found out that my Samsung Omnia 7 reports that the digital compass is not supported, despite the fact that the hardware includes one. Apparently that's due to a missing device driver, which is included in a leaked build that has been floating around for a while.

    Anyway, the fact that I could install Mango just fine on the current firmware poses an interesting question: will the new firmware become a prerequisite for Mango RTM or will that be handled as an OOB update by the manufacturer? The reason why I ask is that without a compass the whole Motion class becomes unavailable and considering that the Omnia is a popular WP7 model some places, this might affect the available market for a number of apps.

    Does anybody have any pointers on the matter?

  • Booting and shutdowns in Windows 8

    @wastingtimewithforums: I don't see why you should expect a BSOD. New hardware won't have any driver installed, so it should just not work; and since each driver is reinitialized on resume, any driver that refers to missing hardware should just fail gracefully (assuming that drivers are written correctly). At worst, the new hardware you just popped in won't seem to work.

    At this point, I would expect that any driver failing to reinitialize on resume would trigger a full enumeration, and that the same happens as part of the driver installer. This would cover all the scenarios I can think of, with "power users" messing with the command line, and everybody else just popping in the CD that came with the device (something they may have to do anyway).

    Considering that the vast majority of users will never ever mess with their hardware, I think that's an excellent idea.

  • Where do I report a problem encountered using my WP phone?

    @Doctor Who: In Mango, there's a keypad button to the right of "end call" that brings up the full keypad. It's not a feature I use very often, so I can't say if that's new or there was something similar in NoDo... the good thing is that apparently the problem was already taken care of.

  • Possible schwag to be given out at Build

    ,DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Thinness is the least of Microsofts worries here. IMO:

    1. Windows was written first for CISC instruction set. RISC versions have come and gone (alpha, powerpc). One of the many reasons Windows did not take off on RISC chips early on is because its performance was not overwhelming better on the far superior chip. RISC to Windows is second class and as such will perform poorly as they'll be using shims and shortcuts to get Windows running on RISC.

    ...

    I'm confused. I regularly port code from RISC to CISC and viceversa and never had to write a shim: the C compiler will take care of optimizing my code for the specific architecture. Also, unless I'm much mistaken, the only area where the Alpha really shined was floating point math; not something an OS would have much use for.