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  • IE Team Interview?

    creditcard wrote:
    Internet Explorer 8 should have better CSS2 support (and pass the Acid2 test). Microsoft also needs to get involved with HTML5 because right now Google is ruling the show in HTML5 participation. Like it or not HTML5 will become a standard and will likely be implemented by every web browser other then Internet Explorer. Microsoft needs to stop trying to build proprietary technologies on top of the web because they will fail and waste their time in the end. Silverlight is a waste of time just like DirectAnimation was before then. The web is an open platform get used to it Microsoft.


    What about Flash? That's not open but is very successful.
    Sliverlight is aimed at Flash not HTML. It has an uphill struggle...

  • IE Team Interview?

    Rossj wrote:
    
    BruceMorgan wrote:
    
    Rossj wrote:
     ... but while we wait it would be great to know if I can spend more time looking at using CSS 3, or whether I can start looking at using the Canvas element more widely.  I doubt I'll ever be able to use SVG natively in IE ( ) but a note to that effect would be great.  I (personally) don't want deep detail right now, but just a blanket statement that "We're looking into improving our CSS implementation, and looking forwards towards HTML 5 - and no we won't be pushing silverlight integrated into the browser at installation".


    IMHO, blanket statements are not effective communication tools.  They just beg more questions.  We make vague high level statements, then we have a chat session, then people ask detailed questions, we can't anwer them, and there is dissatifaction. 


    Okay, point taken.  How about a rough timescale? We'll be ready to talk in Feb ... or Jan ... or whatever?


    Bruce,
    I'd argue that the silence has been much more damaging than the situation where "We make vague high level statements, then we have a chat session, then people ask detailed questions, we can't anwer them, and there is dissatifaction. " The dissatisfaction being voiced in the comments on the IE team blog is greater than I've ever seen it. Some of the comments show huge misunderstanding amongst the web developer community that could be dispelled by constant repetition of the fact that the IE team knows it has work to do and hopes to address the key issues that cause the web developers pain.
    Silence means no customer engagement, leaving customers feeling ignored and even leading to silly speculation that the team doesn't really exist. It's very important that customers are heard within the team and feel they are being heard. When customers feel they are being ignored they feel insulted and you lose their trust.
    I'm sure IE8 will be amazing and win back some of that trust, and I really hope the team does deliver. However it'd be a lot easier to regain trust if there was an ongoing dialog with customers, even if it was only "We hear you and our goal is to ease the pain". I at least hope that is still the goal of the IE team Smiley

    Cheers
    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com 

  • American TV...

    W3bbo wrote:

    Maybe I'm just homesick, but how do you guys stand it?


    Get a DVR to record the shows you care about and rarely if ever watch live TV. Occasionally I'll try and catch the world news on BBC America to keep me sane, local news coverage is just dreadful Smiley

    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com

  • IE8

    Rossj wrote:
    
    DigitalDud wrote:
    I'm sure the IE team has done their market research.  Just because they're not blogging to the community at large, who are a bunch of jerks anyway, doesn't mean they don't know what people want in the browser.


    If they knew what people wanted, FF would have no marketshare, after all if you have the perfect browser already with your OS - why go to the trouble of changing to a third-party one?  And how can they know what people want if they don't communicate with them.

    Why make the pretence at creating blogs to be more transparent and communicative and then just close them up when you have shipped your product? People (devs specifically) DO want to know what is coming so that they can make strategic decisions for the future and at the moment NOBODY outside the IE team knows what is coming down the pipe.

    In defense of the IE team they have put up with sooo much cr@p and nasty comments that from a more personal angle I can 100% understand why nobody would want to put themselves through that.

    Dave, I'd be interested to know a little about how the IE team was structured - is there one single person who has the final decision on any particular feature, or is it more of a committee?


    As with every group at Microsoft I've ever encountered groups of people are involved in nearly every decision. Clearly though there is someone at the top who has to make a decision if there is deadlock and may need to make tradeoffs about what resources are focused on what areas. They never make such decisions in isolation though.
    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com

  • IE8

    Bas wrote:
    

    I'm noticing that a lot of MS teams are using their 'blogs' as vehicles to post press releases. There's no conversation whatsoever. If there are comments between the pingbacks, they'll mostly be ignored.

    The WHS team was, and still is, pretty excellent. They engage in conversation on forums and their blog. The IE team blog is dismal, and the Live ID blog is a joke. Over 6 months between updates, and no replies to questions in comments.



    The problem with team blogs is that they are the official word of the team. Therefore they are very careful about what they post. I agree though that some teams blogs are a complete joke. At least Eric Lawrence the creator of Fiddler and a Program Manager on the IE team does respond frequently to comments on the IE team blog even though it isn't his job.
    It'd be great if there were more individual blogs from the IE team such as Chris Wilson's. Oh wait, that's really a joke too! A work based blog with an occasional entry about cats. I think people expect something a little more on topic from the IE platform architect. It appears that the IE leadership does not understand that value of clear communication and even worse the damage done when they start such communication and then stop.

    -Dave
    www.Dmassy.com

  • IE8

    It is sad. I don't know how else to say it.  I only hope the management of the IE tema will wake up and start to engage with customers. That doesn't mean going Open Source. It does mean having an ongoing conversation. A conersation that has ceased since IE7 was released nearly a year ago.
    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com

  • Frustrated w/ Vista thinking about going back to XP

    If IE7 is crashing take a look at the troubleshooting steps at http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp
    As has been mentioned before the most likely culprit of IE7 stability and performance issues are poorly behaved addons.

    I use vista on my primary machine and wouldn't dream of going back to XP Smiley

    Thanks
    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com

  • IE7 freezing while seeing youtube comments

    Make sure you have the most up to date versions of addons such as Flash and that you do not have any non-essential addons installed.
    http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp has some excellent advice on troubleshooting issues with IE. The most common culprit being poorly behaved extensions.

    Thanks
    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com

  • 2 web/IE questions

    See the post at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/06/22/from-microsoft-teched-2007-web-development-tools-for-internet-explorer.aspx for useful IE development tools.

    Unfortunately I don't know of a way to do per instance debugging in IE. It's an issue that I know the team are aware of though.

    Thanks
    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com

  • +1.5 Years: Where Are We Now?

    littleguru wrote:
    IE8 is going to come. Why should the announce each little feature when they haven't even implemented it yet? They will go public as soon as they have something in their hands...


    Exactly. The IE team have said they aren't going to talk about IE8 until they are ready. They are working on it. Watch the IE team blog for official information, any other source is likely pure speculation and inaccurate.

    Thanks
    -Dave
    www.dmassy.com