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  • Docker on Windows Server

    , cbae wrote


    But it WOULD run under Linux--if hosted in Azure. In that scenario, you'd still be able to leverage any Linux-specific code that you have in addition to .NET code.

    Or, if Microsoft wanted to expand .NET to Linux deployments outside of Azure, they could just charge a license fee for the framework and not have any restriction on deployment. Sure, they wouldn't be able to charge a lot for it (at least not as much as a Windows Server license would be), but they could make a little something from it. Or they could build the revenue model into the tooling.

    Or they could just make it all free, and make Azure so awesome that people would want to host their Docker containers there instead of anywhere else. That might be the case anyway for whoever wants to target .NET. I think most .NET developers deploying their applications in a virtualized environment might be more comfortable using Azure vs., say, AWS. IOW, they could make .NET for Linux run anywhere, but make the ease of creating Docker containers (that run .NET for Linux) so easy to do in Azure, that more people would opt for deploying on Azure than anywhere else.

    If they did this, Microsoft could spend zero time creating a Windows-version of Docker and spend time transforming .NET into a cross-platform framework that competes with Java.


    Microsoft could get a big jump on this by buying Xamarin. Plus they'd get all of the Android and iOS cross-platform goodness with it.

    Like with Office I hope Microsoft makes the decision to extend .Net's reach to other Windows competing platforms rather than keeping it locked into Windows. While unleashing .Net may not enrich them as directly as Office I'm sure Azure could quickly become the dominant cloud platform if Microsoft makes it easy and inexpensive for devs to publish their stuff and target & support as many devices as possible. Visual Studio and MSDN subscriptions would certainly get a bump in sales too if they integrated docker support better than other tools sets - yet allowing devs to continue to include their open-source tools in the tool chain like this.

  • ipad air 2, you just have to hold it right

    , BitFlipper wrote


    I guess there are two approaches to this... Build it to be so thin, purdy, bendy and fragile that you are required to put it into some sort of case (defeating the whole purpose), or build it so strong that you don't need a case to begin with.

    My Lumia 920 was the 1st phone I felt didn't require any case or screen protector. And today it still looks as if it just came out of the box.

    Maybe it is just me, but I prefer the second approach. I guess I'll find out soon as I plan to get an iPad Air 2 once they become available on Amazon (I gave up on SP3 being a good tablet due to mediocre app selection).

    Amen to that second approach. Until they come out with phones and tablets that are meant to fold or roll up there is no sense in making them extraordinarily thin. Being lightweight doesn't mean you have to be ridiculously thin.

  • Microsoft's answer to every problem...

    , vesuvius wrote

    When you work supporting customers the first question you ask yourself is "what is the quickest way to resolve this issue?"

    The person you spoke with at Microsoft has targets, and could have spent 3 hours on the phone diagnosing issues in a way that you would find "engaging" but he thought, you know what?, BitFlipper can re-install office in 15 minutes, so that is the quickest solution, let me save both his and my time.

    That person you spoke with is now enjoying a cold beer, his boss paid him a bonus for being efficient, as 99% of office users (me included) have installed Office 365 and it just works.

    If you want detailed and technical assistance, file a bug on connect, and the person that wrote the code can investigate this bug. Support departments function on both fixes and workarounds, you clearly object to workarounds, so connect is the best way to achieve a detailed response

    Let's go through the scenario that you suggest:

    1. He follows Microsoft support recommendation and re-installs Office.
    2. He logs a bug on connect.
    3. If he's lucky Microsoft Connect staff ask him "can you reproduce the problem" and ask for logs from his original installation that are no longer there because of the re-install.
    4. Microsoft Connect staff close the Connect bug report as "cannot reproduce".

    A month later BitFlipper experiences the same problem. Since the Connect bug is closed he has to open a new one. Then what? Does he wait for someone from Microsoft Connect to contact him all the while he just lives with his broken Office install?

    , vesuvius wrote

    @BitFlipper: Of all the things Microsoft are going to be protective about, how activation works for Office is surely at the top of the list.

    I don't find it acceptable to have to go through what you are going through, especially since it is a failed update. I think if this is reported on connect, there is some chance an update will be rolled out with a fix, rather than escalating it through 1st/2nd line support as this is a software issue and not a hardware issue.

    Microsoft needs to do better in providing their support staff with real knowledge rather than their canned reboot, re-install, rinse & repeat responses. If product activation were such a high-profile concern for Microsoft they should have escalated his support call to 2nd tier support and possibly on to development if warranted. There would be better chance of catching the bug while it was happening rather than so easily dismissed postmortem review where data has been lost.

    , vesuvius wrote


    Depending on the tone of the original post, I'm sure Larry Larsen or blowdart may be able to get access to the individuals on the office or windows phone team (or tech extraordinaire Gov Maharaj) or ask you to send your contact details, I have seen ScottGu answer posts here on Channel 9, just as long as the tone isn't belligerent.

    And what are all of the other non-technical people who have Windows Phone with the same problem supposed to do? Search the web hoping that someone who was lucky enough to get access to WP devs and get an answer to publish the solution? 

    As long as Microsoft's support has dismissive "answers" such as reboot/re-install as their first line of defense nothing will be learned and nothing will be solved in preventing the problem in the first place. If anything it will turn Microsoft support engineers into drunks.

    I think Microsoft is doing a great job in removing barriers between divisions and departments (Windows & Windows Phone being the best example). They need to add the barrier between support and development to the list IMO.

  • Windows 10, first thoughts.

    , bondsbw wrote


    And here you are arguing against a strawman and putting words into my mouth.  I never "vehemently disagreed" with these usability concerns.  In fact, just the opposite, I share them.

    I don't know why I even respond to you any more.  You are so obviously trolling.

    I didn't say you said you "vehemently disagreed". That was my observation of you in this thread and elsewhere in this forum. Seems to me you're using the strawman/troll facade to ignore my valid points. How convenient for you.

    , cbae wrote


    Usability only comes into play insofar as people simply haven't taken the time to learn how the new UI works. What Microsoft found out the hard way is that people have little patience when it comes to getting used to the new.


    LOL! How long has W8 and WP been out? How long will it take people to learn and accept? That is just such a huge cop-out. If a UX/UI is:

    1. Intuitive
    2. Discoverable
    3. Useful (mobile/touch use cases)) / Productive (desktop use cases)
    4. Desirable

    then people will embrace it. Microsoft failed on all of these points and now with W10 seems to be getting a lot of this right. The only point of contention is #4.

    People keep forgetting that unlike Apple Microsoft is starting with a captive audience. They gambled with that audience with WP/W8 and lost. W10 is certainly a step forward for this audience but they don't seem to have learned their lessons on making a desirable UI without compromising the other three points.

  • Windows 10, first thoughts.

    , bondsbw wrote


    You like glassy, I like flat.


    Unless you feel like I mischaracterized your statements.

    Seems like you just did. When you disagree with someone you (as well as a few others) tend to paint them into the most narrowest of corners. No one needs to be 100% right here. There's always a middle ground.

    , bondsbw wrote


    My objective arguments for flat are general and apply broadly, about removing skeuomorphism and getting out of the way of the user.

    Who said they were in the way? Microsoft tried the "content is king" approach with W8 and that didn't work so well. They've re-added chrome to Windows and to their own store apps to make things more discoverable and practical. They flattened and removed color from the iconography in Visual Studio and ended up retracting a lot of that. They made Office too bright and too "metro" and now you have the likes of Bill Gates himself that said Office needs a lot of work.

    I think we all want a modern looking OS and apps but Microsoft has shown it's willing to take it too far to the point where usability comes into question. That's the source of this concern that you so vehemently disagree with. IMO you need to stop looking at these concerns as a bad thing -- not as something that needs to be defended against but rather as something that helps keep Microsoft in check.

  • Windows 10, first thoughts.

    , cbae wrote


    Man, you've got to be really ugly if you're liable to induce a computer to vomit on YOU. If this is a recurring problem maybe you could just stick a Post-It over the webcam. ;)

    Hey now.. That's pretty close to a "My m m m m m my momma said..."

  • Windows 10, first thoughts.

    , cbae wrote


    Nope. What does the outer glow try to imitate in real life? It's an effect that is "authentically digital". It's used to draw attention to something--not to make it look like there's fake light shining on something.

    Pregnant women are said to have an "outer glow". Interesting place for Microsoft to draw their skeuomorphic designs from. Maybe they wanted people to understand the UI was about to vomit on you like a pregnant woman with morning sickness?

  • Docker on Windows Server

    That's huge. I like this Microsoft.

  • Share Contract for the desktop?

    Neowin is reporting that the W10 File Explorer has a rudimentary share contract implemented. Could this be an indicator that desktop apps in W10 will finally get access to some of the goodies in WinRT? Another great move by Microsoft if it were to come to pass. Looking forward to a more developer targeted release and plenty of C9 videos to go with it...

  • They might have well said...

    , bondsbw wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:  By the way, I've given you plenty of outs in this thread including on the first page.

    But you just can't leave it at "forget about it".  You won't drop it until I say that I'm wrong.  Well, I don't believe it, you haven't convinced me of it, so you'll be trolling for a long time if you want that to happen.

    Bonds, you need to calm down a little bit and quit taking this so personally.

    Several of us have made a pretty good case why W8 was a disaster and yet you continue to spin it into some fantasy that it was part of some "plan". Tell ya what: I'll quit trying to convince you if you quit rebutting with your apologetic nonsense. And drop the troll crap while your at it. It's just a shield people use when they are afraid.

    Don't get the mods to do you dirty work.  Just stop pushing for people who don't agree with your every thought to change their minds, and either let the thread die or change the subject.

    Heck, I'll help you with that.

    New subject:  Are your impressions of Windows 10 overall positive, and why?

    Mine are so-so.  I like the choice, I feel the Start menu with tiles has potential.  I like corner snap but would rather it work like metro snap than aero snap.

    Wow. Nice try. Yes let's limit the discussion to positive feedback on W10 only because it's so utterly perfect that no one could possibly have a valid negative comment. :S

    AndyC started a neutral thread on this already, "Windows 10, first thoughts" (to which I tip my hat AndyC). No need to start a discussion that is skewed from the get-go.

    BTW, I asked the mods to close this thread because it's now as pointless as your defense of Microsoft and W8.