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  • European Parliament to Google: We can haz ur search plz

    , cbae wrote


    There's nothing preventing a search service from having multiple third-party ad networks plugged into it either.

    Not unless you count business considerations... but of course they're not important for a business.

    If having search that fed into third party ad network was such a great idea it would have been done and be very popular.

  • Are you still on XP?

    @cheong: Of course there's not much you can do to prevent third parties accessing your device at some point, unless you run your own semiconductor fab plant.

    (Lots of the TAO work (one of the more legitimate NSA activities) involved access to the computers in the supply chain before they even reached the consumers/targets.)

  • European Parliament to Google: We can haz ur search plz

    @cbae: I didn't say search was the only feed in to Google's ad network but that search, without the ad network, makes no money for Google. There's absolutely no point them maintaining search if it isn't connected to their ad network.

  • Censorship

    , blowdart wrote

    Funny, I was commenting today that censorship has moved from the old guard and governments to become a tool for the 20 something generation to squash opinions they don't agree with (added bonus, GamerGate is trying to do the same thing)

    Yes, it is frankly amazing (and scary) how much of the demand for censorship these days comes from young, educated and supposedly "liberal" circles. Even where there is not an explicit desire for censorship people are increasingly not willing to tolerate (here I intend to use the traditional meaning of the word: to disagree with but not forcibly intervene with) differing opinions. (Obviously there are lines, I'm not suggesting you must be friends with Fred Phelps here, but it seems the default response has been not to disagree but to shout down. Not to say "here is why I think you're wrong" but "you're a [cause de jour]ist and I hope you get shot and rot in Hell". This is unhealthy, it doesn't lead to proliferation of diversity or lead us to truth but drives down directions set by the agendas of those who shout the loudest. Some of my strongest friendships are with people I disagree on a lot of matters with (or have disagreed until one of us has been persuaded that the other is right!).)

    , blowdart wrote

    However having said that the stores have guidelines for submission, and banning something like this I don't view as problematic. If it had been hunting blacks rather than gays would you still object? This isn't political correctness it's common decency.

    [The below is in general terms, not specific to this app.]

    I don't think it's problematic if a company removes this from their distribution network. What I do think is problematic is that, for most of the commonest mobile platforms today, the companies run their distribution networks as complete walled gardens.

    I don't think it's Microsoft's or Apple's position (afaik you can run non-store apps on a non-rooted Android device?) to tell me what software it is and isn't appropriate for me to run on my device and, if I ran any great quantity of apps on my phone, that would definitely be a key factor in where I took my custom.

    While, of course, that's for the markets to agree/disagree with, not the government, I do think that these companies can violate the principles of free speech. I think that free speech is a good thing and should be encouraged. Yes, when I'm being asked to speak (e.g. host an app) I would draw lines, but would I draw lines with what others do with their devices purchased (indirectly) from me? I find that to be none of my darn business.

    , Blue Ink wrote


    I just meant "illegal" with respect to app store policies,

    That's fairly meaningless, app store policies aren't law. What you mean is that uploading "hate speech" to an app store is either a breach of contract or explicitly left subject to the discretion of the store operator in the contract.


    but as a matter of fact yes, hate speech happens to be illegal in a lot of countries.

    Wrongly so. See this and this.


    John Stuart Mill wrote:

    We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavouring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still ... All silencing of discussion is an assumption of infallibility ... However unwillingly a person who has a strong opinion may admit the possibility that his opinion may be false, he ought to be moved by the consideration that however true it may be, if it is not fully, frequently, and fearlessly discussed, it will be held as a dead dogma, not a living truth.

    Even in the US, hate speech is not always covered by the First Amendment; I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect that that game does not qualify for protection.

    Wrong. In US law "hate speech" is not a thing. It's an amorphous concept thrown around that roughly means "anyone who disagrees with me in certain ways on certain matters arbitrarily". The types of speech that don't have constitutional protection are mostly limited to things such as: slander/defamation/libel, fraud, true threats and incitement to create a clear and present danger.

    Speech that is simply hateful, whether objective or perceived hate, is legal.

  • European Parliament to Google: We can haz ur search plz

    , spivonious wrote

    @GoddersUK: It seems that this is less about Google making money off of their search, and more about preventing them from placing Google+ or YouTube results at the top even though other results may actually be more popular/correct.

    Beyond a possible case of false advertising ("hey guys, our results are ranked by page rank...") I don't see this as something to be dealt with by government intervention.

    , cbae wrote

    @GoddersUK: It's not Google's search service that the EU needs to be wary of. It's Google's ad network.

    (Edited for clarity)They are one and the same - despite the EU's desire to separate search from everything else. The ads monetise the search and the search generates data for the ads.

    @figuerres: Protectionism pisses me off because of this kind of thing. Apparently they want me (and everyone else in Europe) to experience a worse product because companies in Europe won't/can't produce a competing product.

  • I hope the Windows 10 preview start menu is seriously unfinished

    , felix9 wrote

    @spivonious: its  still in its early days of development, not really useable yet.

    Gosh... who'd have thought it... a preview isn't ready for prime time :o

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  • European Parliament to Google: We can haz ur search plz


    New from the people who brought you the "right to be forgotten" (aka minitrue):

    The motion seen by Reuters "calls on the Commission to consider proposals with the aim of unbundling search engines from other commercial services as one potential long-term solution"

    It seems they do not understand that (from Google/Yahoo/Microsoft's perspectives) search is not a product unless it monetises through advertising, data mining or driving custom to other services. I'm getting pretty annoyed at European politicians (both at a national and inter- level) who, in the rush to be seen to be "doing something about Snowden" (and make cheap, populist shots at the US while they're at it) are showing their ignorance of all things technological (and sometimes just all things) and doing their level best to make our digital lives suck as much as humanly possible.

    They're caught in the old fallacy of politicians' logic and the media (as well as the ignoramuses who form too large a proportion of our electorates) are partly to blame for demanding it:

    /rant over.

  • No MSDN renew with media option

    , cheong wrote

    I know they're not expensive, but the bad thing is that if you not burn disc for a while the disc burning function will break.

    Really? I've experienced all kind of problems with CD/DVD R/RW drives and disc burning, but never this!

  • Microsoft Watch

    @stahtufiang: Coffee mostly.