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leighsword wrote:

yes,absolutely you(Europe/the Western world) did it to yourselves,but we(China/the East world) affect what you did.(search "who invented the paper and printing").the communication is a way to affect the Western world,the Silk Road.
 
Today,you(Europe/the Western world) affect us(China/the East world) in many fields include you meationed.

You might have understood me saying that Europe did a lot original inventions (although I might have misunderstood etcetcetc ). "doing it to yourself" basically means creating your own misfortune (as Europe did).

Anyway, what I meant is that Europeans could have been original inventors but we kept ourselves backward. So what happened is that whatever was invented, the Asians and especially the Chinese were first 9 out of 10. The printing press is a good example. In school we learned a Dutchman invented it, then I found out Gutenberg beat us to it and much later found that the Chinese were first.
Only after the renaissance started to undo the shackles of religion Europe was starting to get somewhere. Europe from about 500 to 1500 AD was not a great place to be for anyone with original thoughts.

leighsword wrote:

"Not did the rest of the world copy Chinese inventions, they claimed that they were the first to invent it. "
            --- Temple Robert<The Genius of China 3000 years of Science, discovery, and invention>

I'd say. Although you might want to widen it somewhat to include the rest of Asia, espicially when it comes to philosophy.
Anyway, we (Europe/the Western world) did it to ourselves. Not wanting to start a social-theological debate, let me put it this way:
the lid was closed on science, philosophy, spirituality and art, the achievements of the Greeks denounced
and it took some time until renaissance freed Europe from the chains the clergy put it.
They showed the Greeks were way ahead of us, even after 1500 years because of stagnation in the 4 fields I mentioned.
Had that not happened, flying to Alpha Centauri would be considered a daily commuters routine.

sudhakar wrote:

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or users, if you like.

In the end, it is the person using the software, even if it is someone writing software that only that one person uses, that makes it worthwile.

Orbit86 wrote:

the market share

Market share is less important to Linux cs than it is to Microsoft. Linux can and has survived and grown with nearly 0% market share. You paint the picture of Microsoft with, say, 10% market share.

They operate on slighty different markets but more importantly, from different angles. They dance around each other and that is good. If they come a bit closer they might see the other isn't as bad as they thought it was.

The FUD comes from both sides (and Steve has done and is doing his share of that and is often not much different from, say, your average ./er) but I find that if you get one-on-one and face-to-face with any of them, you'll find them quite reasonable. That's what I saw with Steve when I looked over the wall of 'Go go Microsoft, the competition is silly and doesn't amount to much' (I was to use a one-word expletive but thought the better of it ) he put up.

What struck me most about this interview was that when he wasn't promoting Microsoft and wasn't in his motivational mode, I thought he made sense. In a personal edit of this video (maybe I'll do that with movie maker ) I'd cut out hand-stuff, the motivational parts and the promotional stuff (like the innovation part).

But that is just me. If you want to inspire me, you don't go all excited, you take an hour or so, explaining, in detail, the logic and rationale about whatever the subject is. There would need to be a lot of 'hmmm', 'yes, I see' and 'how does that work, exactly' going on with me.

The first time I saw Steve he was part of the keynote of a Technet day. He was nice and all but it wasn't my thing. You'd expect that any moment he'd go like 'stand up and applaud for yourself, yes, yes, yes, go on, stand up'. The thoughtfull parts in that video (and 90% of it was) were for me.

scobleizer wrote:

Unfortunately in today's world there are security

Last year I went to a Technet session where Steve was interviewed as part of the keynote. Because of him being there, the parking garage under the congress center was closed, everyone was (supposed to be) checked upon entry and you couldn't carry keep bags etc with you.
Closing the parking garage was a bit silly, in my opinion, and impractical. The few streets with free parking spaces in the neighborhood were packed with cars. What did they expect? Someone driving in a car full of explosives in it because of Steve? Unlikely.

scobleizer wrote:

m00n1: It was supposed to be longer but his schedule got cut so we only had 10 minutes. But, I'm getting feedback to make our videos shorter and tighter, so we'll work on that.

There is something in that but please don't go MTV about this, keeping it short for shortness'sake. Don't script if it's not absolutely necessary and don't overedit, leave in the spontaneous that makes C9. So if it takes an hour, it takes an hour. If you can do it in less than a minute, do that.
But in th end, take in the comments and trust your gut feeling. It created and sustained C9 and it will continue doing that.

Right now I'm trying to run open source on a Windows 2003 Server. I have W2K3 installed and everything else will be open source or, if that is not available, free.

So far I'm running OpenOffice on it (yes, the bad practice of using a server partly as a desktop but it a test setup, so no worries ). Perl is there, too and next up is Mono.

Any suggestions? For example, I use Acrobat Reader, which is free, but for full points I'd like to score an open source version.

CSharpZealot wrote:

V.interesting stuff...might even be able to base an entire session on it...very informative!

make me want more!! is that sad?

Yes it is...... but you're among other sad people (very happy sad people, mind you)

I could spend days, leaving customers without support, watching this stuff :>

dugsnake wrote:

P.S. I'd much rather be a MLB player.

Not me, I love IT. It would be nice if I had more time left for philosophy, though. I still am stuck in the first few pages of 'Critique of pure reason' (Kant) and Derrida is gathering dust as well. Not too mention the Abhidhamma Pitaka.
And books on PKI, Security, TCP/IP, Linux, Windows ad nauseam. I wouldn't have the time to be a professional, multi-million dollar (or rather euro at the present rate) sportsman.