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  • Possible schwag to be given out at Build

    ,cbae wrote

    When it comes to tablets, thinness is only ancillarily related to the more important criterion--weight. If I had to choose, I'd rather have something lighter than thinner. In fact, the thinness of the current crop of tablets, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and iPad 2, make them more difficult to hold IMO.

    Both are important.  You really need both to be compelling.  Although I disagree that the thinness of the current crop of tablets makes them difficult to hold.  I hold an iPad2 regularly and have held a GT10.1.  Both feel great in my hands.  With that said, I'd love them to be half the weight.  But who wouldn't? 

    MS can't ship Touchpad size/weight tablets though with Win8 and expect much in the way of sales. 

  • Possible schwag to be given out at Build

    ,Minh wrote

    Did you guys forget THE iPad killer that swept the world recently... It wasn't thinner than the iPad 2, the hardware is more like the iPad 1 and no longer supported, its OS has been discontinued... People LOVE the HP TouchPad... not for its form factor... but for its price...

    There's no way a W8 Tablet could be selling for $99 of course... but what about $250 compared to the $700 iPad 2? You think people think about the few mm and oz?

     

    The iPad makes $250 per unit.  The Touchpad was losing $200 per unit.  You can't build a business model around those types of loses (especially since the app store can't make up that much revenue loss). Heck, I'd buy a Motorola Xoom for $49, but it doesn't mean that it's a good tablet or iPad killer.  It just means that there's a price where you can move anything.

    You can't make a decent $250 tablet to compete against the $700 iPad.  The $700 iPad is probably about $405 in parts.  And that's using Apple's supply chain.  For anyone else, they can't order 3 million units.  They have to go much smaller, and they lose the supply chain efficiencies and discounts.  So you're looking at costs that look a lot more like $550 in parts.  So you'd have to sell that tablet at $300 loss per unit.  So if you sell 1M you've lost $300M.  I don't think that is likely to happen.  Plus it hurts the HW ecosystem for Win8 tablets in that no one will want to buy any tablets that cost $500.  We'll be stuck in a situation where Windows tablets are cheaply made, and the iPad ones are beaufitul because those customers don't have the expectation of a $250 tablet.

  • Possible schwag to be given out at Build

    That slate looks kind of thick.  With the iPad3 around the corner they need to look at the iPad2 and think 30% thinner as a baseline.

  • Jupiter

    I get what MS is trying to do, but they need to do a better job splitting out developer disclosure with consumer.

    They should have been upfront with the programming model.  No consumer cares about that.  Keep all the UI and user features hidden (like they're doing with the Buidling Win 8 blog).  And then announce the UI and consumer features at BUILD. 

  • Jupiter

    I get what MS is trying to do, but they need to do a better job splitting out developer disclosure with consumer.

    They should have been upfront with the programming model.  No consumer cares about that.  Keep all the UI and user features hidden (like they're doing with the Buidling Win 8 blog).  And then announce the UI and consumer features at BUILD. 

  • AppHarbor

    I've tried it.  I think its great.  Unfortunately, I don't have anything interesting I'm doing on the web at the moment.  But I had a test site up in minutes.  Compared to Azure it was cake, although Azure does seem to be getting easier.  And my hope is that the Gu will make it much easier.

  • Who is going to Build Conference ?

    Everyone is going to be at BUILD.  It's probably the most important show for Microsoft since... well I can't recall.  I think its more important than the .NET PDC.  I wasn't a Windows dev during Windows95 so I don't know what show might have been comparable during that time.

    If there is a Freebie it will be a tablet to start building Windows 8 touch apps. 

  • //Build/ Conference is Sold out???

    ,IsThisReally​Beer wrote

    @Sven Groot:

    *snip*

    You really don't get it. I/O 2009 gave people HTC magicks 2 months before their release for a $325 ticket price. They were being sold for upwards of $1000 shortly after the conference.

    I/O 2010 gave people a moto droid and an EVO w/ extra 2GB card full of Google stuff 6 weeks before the EVO was released on Sprint. They were fetching upwards of 1k.

    I/O 2011 gave people a 10.1 galaxy tab with Honeycomb 3.1 months before it's release, plus a coupon for a free chomebook at Amazon plus a free verizon 4G LTE hotspot and 3 months of services for a $425 ticket price.

    Microsoft has been pushed by it's competitor Google to up the prizes. It's feeling the heat. It just started giving people free HD2 W7P phones at recent conferences so it's at least 2 years behind Google, as Google was up to 2 free phones by 2010.

    You'll never beat the ROI of a modern day "my daddy's bigger than yours" developers conference. Unless you have to fly in from Europe or something crazy like that.

     

    A fair number of people have actually complained about this Google practice.  Apparently Google I/O sells out really fast (like in an hour), and a lot of the people at the show aren't really developers, but just people that like gadgets.  I think the expectation that you're going to recoup 3x the ticket price in gadgets creates a weird incentive, that helps eBayers more than developers.

  • Why still no native support for WP mango?

    ,Charles wrote

    Native support has never been promised for Mango. Be patient Smiley

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    If I'm patient until BUILD will all be revealed then?  Or does this require post-BUILD patience?  Smiley

  • More details on ​jupiter/win​RT

    @aL_:, Thank Al.  This is a pretty incredible forum thread you found.  This changes everything.  Seriously.

    I now retract anything I said about MS having to speak up.  MS needs to be quiet until BUILD.  Get this stuff working with a solid Beta.  I'm satisfied enough that they're going down an interesting path, and certainly not what I was speculating.