Channel 9 - Discussions by Michael Elsdoerfer http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 - Discussions by Michael Elsdoerfer http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Michael Elsdoerfer/Discussions Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Michael Elsdoerfer/Discussions en Sun, 26 May 2013 00:46:12 GMT Sun, 26 May 2013 00:46:12 GMT Rev9 0 0 0 Coffeehouse - Anyone using Delphi 8 for .NET around here?
cwoodruff wrote:

Just curious if anyone else around the group uses it


I do.

BTW, there was already a topic on Delphi 8: http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2453#2453

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Charles wrote:
Anyone out there using windows services for unix?  


I used it a while ago just to get a richer shell, but since I got my fingers on the MSH Preview I don't use it anymore.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/4813-Windows-command-line/b4bbd2041555439297ed9dea010f5897#b4bbd2041555439297ed9dea010f5897 Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:57:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/4813-Windows-command-line/b4bbd2041555439297ed9dea010f5897#b4bbd2041555439297ed9dea010f5897 Michael Elsdoerfer 25 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Michael Elsdoerfer/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Thanks Slashdot !
UdoSchroeter wrote:

What a load of crap.


I would appreciate it if you were a bit more polite.

UdoSchroeter wrote:

People DO complain about software regardless of the version number, and rightly so (well not always). And versions below 1.0 DO in fact indicate the "product" is not finished, but some projects release it for public use anyway - which is great because the version number indicates beta status. And that in turn indicates that complaining about bugs is in fact very much welcomed by the developers!


I acutally agree with all of that. Still, the point I was trying to make (see also my second response to manip):
If I have to decide - *now* - which product I want to use, I will not give one of them any extra points, just because it is still beta (except, of course, if later switching would mean additional cost, that would be an additional factor).
So, if a product is constantly crashing, of course you can say, see, it's still 0.0.0.1 or something, but I will use an alternative that works.

UdoSchroeter wrote:

Oh come on, if you're really working in the software industry (I don't know) you too have shipped something that wasn't complete because time ran out.


I'm not, but I surely have used such software.

UdoSchroeter wrote:

Rhetorically you're right, of course, because no sane software company would ever actually ship something labelled below 1.0 - but that's just a marketing issue.


Yes, it's a marketing issue, that's what I meant. So, instead of just looking at the version number, better try a program yourself.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/1119-Thanks-Slashdot-/26d048729a8c44568e659dea01119195#26d048729a8c44568e659dea01119195 Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:40:57 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/1119-Thanks-Slashdot-/26d048729a8c44568e659dea01119195#26d048729a8c44568e659dea01119195 Michael Elsdoerfer 18 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Michael Elsdoerfer/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Can someone explain Managed Code in layman's terms? First, you may want to have a gander at this .NET Rocks show (which covers Managed Code): http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/Episode035/default.asp

Actually this is not .NET Rocks, but only a .NET show (but still rocking Wink.

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I do.

VCL Forms, for example, often lets you migrate Delphi apps to .NET with the addition of one line of code.

Never heard of this. Which line would that be?

Actually, you may be able to re-compile existing apps without a single line of new code, but as soon as you app is more than a few VCL components dropped on a form, it's not that easy (Pointers, Windows API, and some not yet ported VCL components).

The problem? Pascal. Just, argh, I can't stand writing:

I's the other way round for me - I hate { }, and love the nice and clean style of begin-end blocks. And (at least on a german keyboard), I can write begin faster than reaching to the { and have to re-position my fingers.

Views of the crew and fellow Channel 9 plebs, gratefully received Wink

All in all, I like Delphi 8, it's a step in the right direction, and the Delphi language got some very nice improvements (e.g. operator overloading).

However, there's still lot's of stuff that needs to be improved. What I dislike in particular:

* IDE: The new Galileo IDE is a VS.NET clone. Nothing against Visual Studio, but I liked the old Delphi IDE a lot more. There is a classic style, but it's not the same.

* Stability: Also Delphi 8 got alsready 2 updates (Delphi 7 got none), it's still a bit crashy. VCL.NET / WinForms development works pretty good, but APS.NET is buggy, and I didn't manged to compile an non-executable assembly without getting a compiler access violation.

For Delphi guys it'll be great, but I don't see a lot of value in it for Visual Studio developers.

Of course, if you want to develop in Visual Studio, you shouldn't buy Delphi - just because it's Delphi and not VS. But, if you don't mind learning a new language, Delphi may give you some advantages over VS.NET. The most important argument is VCL.NET, which is IMHO a much better framework. See

http://www.lemanix.com/lemanix/lemanixisapi.dll/Entry?ID=1167

http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,31983,00.html

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Since no software is bug free, there might always be problems. A version number below 1.0 is a indication that you might have problems, but a version number equal or greater than 1.0 is not a guarantee that there won't be any.

However, me point was the following: If I'm *now* comparing two products, because I want to decide which one to use, I will not give the pre-1.0 products any bonus points just because it's pre-1.0.

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/1119-Thanks-Slashdot-/c85774f7390646c98ba29dea01119022#c85774f7390646c98ba29dea01119022 Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:25:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/1119-Thanks-Slashdot-/c85774f7390646c98ba29dea01119022#c85774f7390646c98ba29dea01119022 Michael Elsdoerfer 18 http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/Michael Elsdoerfer/Discussions/RSS Coffeehouse - Thanks Slashdot ! FireFox is a beta... pre-version 1.0

Yeah, that's very clever. Just keep your version number below 1.0 and no one can ever complain about bugs. Well - someone who has to sell a product can't do that.

And yes, I use Firefox (except for Channel 9 actually).

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Never heard of it.

Just curious, how many people do you know that read their feeds in CDF?  How do you read them? IE? an Aggregator?

I'm using RSS Bandit as well - great tool.

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CumpsD and Peter: Thanks for the tips. Works now for me too..

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But since a few weeks I switched my limited account to an admin account again.

It's not so much the application, which will not run on a account with restricted access (you can use "run as" or give such an application additional rights), but it is two issues that really annoyed me:

* You cannot run the explorer using "run as". Anybody managed to do that?

* You cannot use fast user switching when the welcome login screen is disabled.

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My suggestion would be removing the pictures and show only the names of the onlne users.

And as the crew is not really important (*g*), maybe place it on a separate page.

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