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I will be there.   Always find a way to go.  Been a while since the last one in San Fran.

So what's the point of a waitlist?   I would imagine they have more spots than people waitlisted? 

This argument is getting old.   Just because there is some emphasis on tablets does not mean desktop is dead.  Tablets are not replacing your smartphone either. (unless you have big pockets).  They all have a place.  I don't do real work on a phone or tablet but I use them for quick information or simple reading and entertainment.   Tablet only beats the phone because the screen is bigger.  The desktop is still great for business, engineering, software development and many others.  Microsoft owns the market for desktops so they are working hard now to expand in what they are behind in. 

@evildictaitor:

2 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

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For heaven's sake. Just marry it and get a room.

That sums it up.   Bass is in some religious fervor about the web and web technologies and you best not say anything bad about it or you will go straight to hell.  Apple can do no wrong also is another belief of his.  Your points are well understood by others who have done more than just web programming.   When Bass finds out his identity is stolen and his online bank account has been emptied and the FBI has been watching his transmissions he might see all the bad things about the web too.

I think the best apps are the ones that use the power of computing and the network like simulators and games.  They run in a desktop environment and use the internet (not just http) to send and receive high speed data.  You can use the internet without having to be a web browser based app.   If you do a lot of stock trading the information is available on web pages but the stock traders use applications that tie into information on the web.   I don't see everything running in a browser but I do see browser apps getting better.   To your original point, these well done browser apps are still catching up to what the desktop could do years ago.

31 minutes ago, evildictait​or wrote

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Well, apart from the WCF thing (strawman much?) That's exactly what all games have done, all streaming video applications (like Skype) have done. What RDP has done, what bittorrent did, what dropbox does etc etc etc.

The web is always playing catch-up with the rest of computing.

We had stateful connections with bidirectional low-latency communications in 1970. The web threw all that away with HTTP, and then had to retro-fit statefulness (cookies), lower-startup times (keep-alive) and bidirectionality (websockets).

In fact, the very fact that HTTP is so crap is the very reason why Google got fed up and rebuilt it (SPDY).

You might think that the web is oh-so-very-clever because you can now just about achieve a proper connection to a website and send data back and forward, but the rest of the computing world has had that from the very start. It only feels new because the web was retarded and threw all of the good bits away and is only just about getting back to where the networking stack was in 1970 and where desktop applications were in 2003 (and where security was in 1998)

As I said before - the web is getting better, because it is becoming more like the desktop - not because the desktop is becoming more like the web. The crap that is the web-stack has been holding back computing for over a decade.

We're where we are now despite the web being a pile of poop. Not because of its shining brilliance.

Right on brother !  I totally agree.   Even all this Model View Controller stuff is old .   MFC apps had doc views with separated handlers.  

So why has Amazon done this to you?   It has nothing to do with Microsoft.   They chose to only distribute it on amazon cloud.   I have not seen this before on Amazon.  Everything I buy goes to all my devices which are all Microsoft.    I have an original kindle and it wont allow it to that device either so its not just a Microsoft thing.

So that's why they moved up the Build conference.   Forget windows 8 and how we messed that up, but look at how we make the best Home Video Game / Multimedia center / Consumer device.  Develop for Xbox 720's will be the new Build theme.

My friends and I have made out well being in the Microsoft eco system.   I don't see it disappearing no matter what doom and gloom some put out here.   Balmer did make the decision to bring in the ERP systems and CRM systems and this is doing well.   I think he needs to concentrate more here and in LOB applications.   If they can continue to dominate in the business world they will be around a long time.  As far as Windows 8,  he did what others probably told him to do as far as a tablet OS.  The mistake is not taking care of the desktop.  I think he understands some of this and torpedo'd Sinofsky for screwing the message.   I have developed for the other platforms and I still think if your a developer,  Microsoft gives you the best experience.  Balmer is staying.  Look at Apple stock and tell me the current CEO there is doing a good job with a 50% drop.  

I think if Apple or Google make a Visual Studio killer that targets their platform Microsoft would be in bigger trouble.   I see Xamarin is gaining traction for Android and IOS development because you can use visual studio and C#.    Just think if Google had their own Java super language G# and a nice developer studio that is not Eclipse with all its baggage (I hate do it all dev environments that end up doing nothing well) they would really be taking over.   But it looks like Google with be busy battling with Apple on web technologies and Microsoft will have time to reset and fix some of their problems.  The next 5 years will be interesting and it is hard to tell who wins at this point.  Maybe, there is no clear winner and we just have options for the long haul.  I do think that it is important for Microsoft to make a clear path for desktop/laptop development.   But then again,  maybe all we have to do in life is look at photos, listen to music, watch videos, blog (social media) and read emails. 

7 minutes ago, blowdart wrote

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You know places like this are limited by fire regulations, rather than where the chairs are, right?

I meant that they could rent out parts of it and then add exhibit halls or conferences rooms later if they wanted to expand the conference.   Yes there is a max number but it is not 2000 .  I think they have room for 8000 if you get the entire place.   So working at Microsoft  maybe you can give some answers on why San Fran and why 9 months within the last build conference..