2 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

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For heaven's sake. Just marry it and get a room.

That sums it up.   Bass is in some religious fervor about the web and web technologies and you best not say anything bad about it or you will go straight to hell.  Apple can do no wrong also is another belief of his.  Your points are well understood by others who have done more than just web programming.   When Bass finds out his identity is stolen and his online bank account has been emptied and the FBI has been watching his transmissions he might see all the bad things about the web too.

I think the best apps are the ones that use the power of computing and the network like simulators and games.  They run in a desktop environment and use the internet (not just http) to send and receive high speed data.  You can use the internet without having to be a web browser based app.   If you do a lot of stock trading the information is available on web pages but the stock traders use applications that tie into information on the web.   I don't see everything running in a browser but I do see browser apps getting better.   To your original point, these well done browser apps are still catching up to what the desktop could do years ago.

31 minutes ago, evildictait​or wrote

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Well, apart from the WCF thing (strawman much?) That's exactly what all games have done, all streaming video applications (like Skype) have done. What RDP has done, what bittorrent did, what dropbox does etc etc etc.

The web is always playing catch-up with the rest of computing.

We had stateful connections with bidirectional low-latency communications in 1970. The web threw all that away with HTTP, and then had to retro-fit statefulness (cookies), lower-startup times (keep-alive) and bidirectionality (websockets).

In fact, the very fact that HTTP is so crap is the very reason why Google got fed up and rebuilt it (SPDY).

You might think that the web is oh-so-very-clever because you can now just about achieve a proper connection to a website and send data back and forward, but the rest of the computing world has had that from the very start. It only feels new because the web was retarded and threw all of the good bits away and is only just about getting back to where the networking stack was in 1970 and where desktop applications were in 2003 (and where security was in 1998)

As I said before - the web is getting better, because it is becoming more like the desktop - not because the desktop is becoming more like the web. The crap that is the web-stack has been holding back computing for over a decade.

We're where we are now despite the web being a pile of poop. Not because of its shining brilliance.

Right on brother !  I totally agree.   Even all this Model View Controller stuff is old .   MFC apps had doc views with separated handlers.  

7 minutes ago, blowdart wrote

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You know places like this are limited by fire regulations, rather than where the chairs are, right?

I meant that they could rent out parts of it and then add exhibit halls or conferences rooms later if they wanted to expand the conference.   Yes there is a max number but it is not 2000 .  I think they have room for 8000 if you get the entire place.   So working at Microsoft  maybe you can give some answers on why San Fran and why 9 months within the last build conference.. 

1 hour ago, evildictait​or wrote

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Microsoft should never have killed Silverlight. HTML sucks so bad, and Silverlight fixed so many of it's obvious deficiencies (like XSS for instance, video streaming, DRM video, templating, object orientation by default etc etc etc).

I totally agree.  Silverlight was a great move and whoever killed it should be strung up on the Microsoft campus.   We will eventually come back to this one way or the other.  Stupid ideas eventually die and good ones get resurrected.

It is almost like Microsoft somehow forgot how to lead and is now trying to follow everyone else.  They need to get some strong leaders back who know the right thing to do for the long haul.

What is the advantage or disadvantage to using their GUI dev studio.  It looks clean. (much better than eclipse )  It is also only 299 versus 499 .

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Ok found there layout tool.   Looks good so far.

You have it all wrong.  This is not a consumer play but Microsoft wants to get serious about business.   Dell sells a lot of servers, switches etc to corporate clients.   This is not a business Apple or Google is in.

1 hour ago, evildictait​or wrote

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If you're making the app for yourself, you don't need to go through the store or get an enterprise licence.

I know that.   It is more or less making test apps or utility apps that I would distribute to a department or maybe a dozen people to facilitate some functions in making their job easier.   It is not always enterprise because some of these apps go outside of the company.   I am sticking with windows 7 desktop but a path forward on windows metro is not an option.  I think also LOB developers will have some of these same problems.   Also even on the phone,  if you just wanted to write your own family map and you go over the number of registered devices you have a problem.  They are taking some of the fun out of it.   Android does not have this problem by the way. ( and no I am not a fan of Android .. just sayin) 

Evil, on another subject, your a smart guy (I like a lot of your posts on the technical side),  why do you care if some of these guys * about things they don't like.  When you complain about them you become one of them and rattle their cages more.