The CDCer

Can anyone tell me why HTML code not working here?

It's great that you guys are working hard on security issues, but it's equally important to fix IE bugs. The z-index bug is a well know CSS bug since IE 4 or 5 nearly a decade ago with no easy cross-platform workaround, and it looks that the IE 7 team are still not aware of the problem. Please read A brutal solution to the IE z-index bug for more details and try to fix it. the world can't afford to fight with the bug for another 10 years! Speaking about bugs, here is another one: While poking around MSN, I did a search for MSN sucks, and found a grand total of 49 pages! Yes, you heard it right, it's 49 pages, not 49K. As you can imagine, there is no way that I could trust that number, so I immediately checked with Google and got over 2 million results, and the same search by Yahoo! reports 3.7 million! But wait, it got much worse! Please read Bug or censorship in MSN search for the whole story. These issues cost the industry countless hours of lost productivity (100s of millions hours per year by some estimation) and really make Microsoft look so incompetent and evil in the eyes of geeks.

z33driver wrote:

The CDCer said:

Robert, appealing to a random list of Windows fanboys doesn't even begin to address my issues. I actually agreed with you that Office 12 is pretty cool, although it is really not much more than streamlining an overly complicated UI. What I am not shocked or awed is Windows Vista, which mostly a rehash of Mac OS X Tiger and some ancient Apple technologies. Are you going to admit the inexcusable WMP 10 bugs?

How can you call it a rehash of OSX Tiger?  OSX does not do hardware accelerated 3d compositing of the desktop.  Apart from the superficial "sizzle" stuff in the UI, there's a ton of under-the-surface stuff that Apple doesn't have.

Even if they did have some of this stuff, from a developer tools perspective you can't really make a comparison.   There is no equivalent to VS.NET, XAML, WPF, WCF, etc. etc. on the Apple platform.

Besides, its a free market and a free country.  If you don't like WMP10 or Vista etc. don't use it!  Go use your Mac and write your apps in AppleScript and be happy.  Life's too short...

Every window in OS X is actually 3D surface rendered by GPU on machines supporting Quartz Extreme, and it's been like that since 2 years ago. Cocoa / Xcode / Interface Builder is way ahead of XAML / WPE / VS.NET.

Robert, appealing to a random list of Windows fanboys doesn't even begin to address my issues. I actually agreed with you that Office 12 is pretty cool, although it is really not much more than streamlining an overly complicated UI. What I am not shocked or awed is Windows Vista, which mostly a rehash of Mac OS X Tiger and some ancient Apple technologies. Are you going to admit the inexcusable WMP 10 bugs?

When Robert Scoble coined the "Shock and Awe" phrase last week, it smelled exactly the same stuff he cooked up prior to PDC 2003 and later apologized for the over hype.

Here is my take on the PDC 2005: PDC 05 is a 3-hour yawn. Like someone in the other thread said, Vista may be impressive for a small company, but MS is a $300 billion monopoly with 60000 employees and virtually infinite amount of money. Why the hell does it take you guys 4 or 5 years to come up with a feature list that's basicly a carbon copy of Tiger and some other ancient Apple technologies?

You guys have to read the horror story: Despicable Microsoft WMP 10 bugs and ask the team to fix them. It's embarrassing.