It appears from this page http://www.telusmobility.com/en/ON/Software-Updates/windows-7-updates-main.shtml that the canadian carrier Telus is relasing this update for the Surround. Why cant American Carriers have a page like this of upcoming updates.

I still think that this rollout has been handled poorly. MS did not really announce the rollout started, they have not been specific on which carriers/devices are getting the update nor have they provided status updates. Most of the carriers are just as bad. Calling Carrier support and HTC support have yielded nothing. This is a huge fail of the platform. I still do not even have the dissapearing keyboard firmware update that was released last January. Carrier intervention with updates blows. MS stopped thier gird and the blogs about who/when/where long ago. Feels like customer gets screwed again.

Letting Carriers into the update process screws everything up. Its very dissapointing. I still have not gotten the previous fix dissapering keyboard fix and was hoping to get WP 7.8.

Java is probably in  my top three for worst installer ever.

With Java you can disable the upgrades if you either go in and edit the MSI manually with Orca or simular tool, which is kind of a pain as well.

I wish Oracle would either rewrite thier installer or give you an admin tool to create the installer kind of like Adobe does for Acrobat.

1)Microsoft Installer cleanup utilty to remove all versions of java on the machine

2) then run a utilty called Java Ra to remove all files, folders and reg keys then go into the registry and delete the HKLM/Software/Javasoft key.

3) ensure the program files/java folder is gone

4) rerun your install and most of the time it will work.

Took me a while to figure out how to fix that one.

Also the backend is not in XP to make it fully hardware accelerated. I would think that was probably the technical challenge that killed XP. But Its in Vista as it works with IE 9.

As for apps I have about 30 apps installed (not counting games) about 8 of those I use regularly mostly the weather, USA Today amazing for keeping up with the news one of the best non game apps on the platform, 4TH and Mayor ect and that just fine.

Maybe this would be a good question for a C9 open question interview as they did before IE 9 was released?

Also I agree with:

spivonious wrote

My favorite is when using IE8 on XP and browsing MS sites, popups appear that tell me to upgrade to IE9.

Someone cant put some browser sniffing to say if XP and IE8 dont offer IE 9 download really.

http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio

..you should ensure that you are not holding it wrong.

..be sure to put your bumper case on before attempting to actually make a phone call.

I have the F90bt in my car it world well. check out Avic411.com forums for more info.

Some sources are saying currently its only avaible for NON Carrier branded phones. Telus already said they will start the update on the 29th and could take up to 4 weeks for all phones to get it. Have not heard or seen anything from other carriers.

Cmon AT&T, move at something faster than the speed of slow.

http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62057

Dave Mclauchlan manager of business development for Zune hardware, says they arent dead yet and people should be weary of an artical with info from a "source close to the matter"

The Zune name is fine and device is great. The issue is lack of internationalization, lack of decent marketing, lack of app support on the device.

The device is beautiful and the terga chipset is still a great platform. The software really makes the music and social sharing of music the centerpiece which is great.

Lack of internationaolzation  The HD just launched in Canada but only thorugh the Zuneoriginals site. The Zune insider podcat hinted the music store could be coming to canada a couple of weeks ago in thier podcast but if the current rumor is credible it appears it was just to dump some stock potentially which is really dissapointing. and the rest of the world no hardware avaible at all. Great piece of hardware noone can buy.

Marketing - No real marketing campaign to speak of pretty much says it all.

Lack of apps - Its great that all 30 or so apps are free but many users want lots of app choices, not opening the app store to third partys is fail. Many people buy ipods for the apps just as much as the music.

Can we send in the clowns for comedic relief?

The pre-update it appears is being held back by vendors like AT&T, as I cant find a single conformation of anyone on AT&T acutally getting the pre update, this is just ludicris. Whish that Microsoft would come out on thier Windows Phone team blog and just tell us what the heck is going on, instead of being all hush hush. Also what did Samsung do to thier phones/firmware that caused then to have a much highter failure rate for the pre-update than other vendors, so much more that the update was pulled for a few days only for Samsung hardware.

Link to ZDNET artical:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-france-says-windows-phone-7-nodo-to-arrive-in-the-second-half-of-march/8888

2 hours ago, CKurt wrote

@Charles: I'm pretty sad the Zune or WMP team do not want to be un C9. I guess it's their right, but I can't believe there is nobody in those teams that want to talk.

 

I am very much with this. I am dying to see a media player and/or zune team interview.  I had requested one way back in 2009 and I know there was a lenghty thread this past summer to try to get them on. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/470880-Media-Player-team

Its so dissapointing some teams choose not to embrace the C9 community. They could get alot of feddback from this community.

Now if only the zune team could figure out a way to successfully market thier amazing HD device. I got a buddy at work to buy one to replace his aging ipod by just showing him how great the zune software is and the fact the device puts out 720p througyht the dock.