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  • Too much gloom here lately, even for my taste ;-)

    @swheaties:  Not sure what you are asking.  If it's not the best tool for your use, then it's not.

    Many people don't use the similar yield/return iterators that have been in C# for a long time.  Some people use them often.  Same can be said about dynamic, lambdas, generics, and a host of other features that people love about C#.

    Really if you don't know how to use it, and you don't know why you'd use it, you're probably better off not using it.

  • the next 5 years is crucial to MS.

    @magicalclick:  You misinterpreted my post, probably no fault of yours, I wasn't terribly clear.

    When I said "maybe it's for the best" I meant another company coming in and creating a new business-class computing platform to rival Windows.  And I meant it may be the best for us, not for Microsoft.  Microsoft has a bad history of stagnation whenever they manage to form a monopoly in any area (which isn't surprising, that is why people generally don't like monopolies).  We saw what that did with IE6... but we also see the result today, Chrome, Firefox, and Safari have made the web a much better place.

  • the next 5 years is crucial to MS.

    @swheaties:  I think we are beyond the point of equating mobile with some fashion that is in this year but will be out next year.  It fits those categories of usage, the ones you mentioned, better than a desktop or laptop does... that is quite unlikely to revert.

    As for the rest, the enterprise desktop PCs, Microsoft has little reason to worry about those.  There isn't much in the way of real competition.  It's sad, I'd like that to change, but Microsoft knows that businesses are going to stay in the Windows camp for quite some more time... long enough that they can focus their OS energies on the personal computing market.

    Microsoft is not completely ignoring enterprise anyway.  They have been heavily pushing good things in Azure, and development is seeing some significant love as of late.  Microsoft probably believes the OS is "good enough" and would rather focus on the auxiliary components that really make money.

    EDIT:  Note, this isn't me defending Microsoft.  I know some of you think that's all I do, but in reality what I often do here is explain.  Defense and explanation are two different things... again, many of the things Microsoft does are not necessarily things I want them to do... I would love to see them really ramp up innovation in the enterprise OS area, all I'm saying is that I understand why they don't despite them not giving me things my way.

    And yes, Microsoft could very well alienate business customers and leave the door open for someone to swoop in and take their cake... but you know what, if that's what it takes, well, maybe it's for the best.

  • the next 5 years is crucial to MS.

    , Craig_​Matthews wrote

    I read this all the time -- not just here --- can someone explain to me how a company can be "done for" or  "failing", or the like, because they don't produce a product that they haven't produced before?

    I'm no economist -- so I don't understand this at all. Why does Microsoft have to make a watch? Why does Microsoft have to get into wearables? Why does Microsoft have to produce a good [insert random product type here] or else they will fail?

    That's not really what the problem is.  Personal desktop computers have been decimated by mobile devices.  It's not that Microsoft must hop on that trend, but they can no longer rely on technology that has become much less relevant.

    Say Apple decided never to produce the iPod, or the iPhone, or the iPad?  What if they decided that they only should be in the Macintosh computer market?  I think it is obvious where they would be today.

    But we cannot compare Apple and Microsoft, because while Apple decided to be leaders in the post-PC era, Microsoft thought the best path was to keep riding the PC wave.  They were too late to notice their market being ripped away and their only hope to build the next generation PC platform (mobile) is to follow those who took it away.

    Maybe HoloLens will take off.  They really seem to have a foothold in true innovation there.  Who knows, it may lead the post-mobile era.  Maybe wearables will take off, besides just watches... but on this front I'm not convinced that Microsoft is going to lead.

  • the next 5 years is crucial to MS.

    @wastingtimewithforums:  Do you want Microsoft to be IBM?  It sure seems like I hit a nerve.

  • the next 5 years is crucial to MS.

    , magicalclick wrote

    @bondsbw:

    I blame MS for making it possible to bash. I think you and perhaps MS misunderstood the criticisms. And from the look of it, you seem to still misunderstood the message and I hope MS is not on the same boat.

    What misunderstanding do I have?

  • the next 5 years is crucial to MS.

    It doesn't help that many people seem to want Microsoft to be IBM.  They loathe any attempt by Microsoft to build consumer-oriented products, or to move out of last decade's consumer direction and into the very different arena of mobile personal computing.  They yell and scream (over the internet) until Microsoft finally caves in the spirit of "compromise".

    It doesn't help that Microsoft seems to lack vision beyond a year or two in the future.  The 2019 video they made was fantastic, but from what I can tell it was built by a visionary and not by someone with any real strategic pull in the company.

    Then again, maybe HoloLens can take off without compromise... I guess we will have to wait and see.

  • asp.net V5 will there also be a .Net V5 release coming?

    Isn't this more of a choice thing?  Unless I misunderstood, Microsoft will continue to release something that is very similar to the traditional .NET installer, in addition to the pick-and-choose NuGet variety.  It's up to the developer to decide which flavor tastes better for the situation.

  • These Windows 10 ​adware/prel​oader patches are packaged with important security updates. JUST WTF?!

    Just because it happened in Windows 8 -> 8.1 doesn't mean it will happen for Windows 10.  The two situations are very different.

    8.1 was a service pack for 8, essentially.  Service packs were previously considered "important updates" that were automatically installed via WU, so 8.1 is no different.  Microsoft retired the use of the term "service pack" in favor of point releases.

    Windows 10 is a major update, there are no questions about that.  It's a completely different category from a service pack so I have zero reason to believe they would do the same for Windows 10 that they did for Windows 8.1.  Microsoft should never force such an update on either Windows 7 or Windows 8, and if they do you have every right to be pissed at them.  Many others will back you, I'm certain of it... but for now, let's refrain from putting the cart before the horse.

  • Would you like fries with that?

    Ah, the hamburger menu... many hate it, honestly most people probably don't care... has finally made its way into mainstream UIs going forward in Windows and Windows Phone.

    Ex-Microsoft Windows Phone app designer explains why apps have the hamburger menu

    The ex-Microsoft employee wasn't identified but made it clear that there were two practical reasons for shifting strategies away from swiping and toward hamburger-style navigation:

    • Ease of porting apps from iOS and Android
    • Ease of making apps universal across devices

    In other words, the strategy is focused on reducing development time and getting more apps into the Windows Store.

    Worth it?