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Looking at the HSA stuff, I have to wonder if Microsoft were really interested in it why wouldn't they be listed as a sponsor/supporter of some kind, given how many there are?

What Bas said (both sections)

I wonder if these apps are even meant to be part of the release, or if they're just demo apps for new platform features, like the Win8 Developer Preview ones (actually a few of those were kinda neat, wish they'd been finished and released.)

New G+ design is pretty sweet, works great in immersive IE on Windows 8.

The difference is between giving useful, actionable feedback versus just being a douche-hat. Maintaining a dialogue with the product team to let them know your concerns and requirements about their product is in the former category. Publishing your beefs on the Internet, or stamping your feet and saying that they are wrong about everything from NTFS to the C++ compiler to Powershell not being in CMD.exe is quite firmly in the latter.

I'm not sure I agree with this. An important part of being a PM, product planner or UX professional is being able to take feedback that might be emotional, angry, confused or even incoherent and make good use of it anyway. If they only paid attention to feedback from people who "thought like MSFT executives" they'd wind up tailoring their products to a pretty narrow slice of their userbase. If anything feedback of the form "I hate Windows 8 and I hate you because it installs a new facebook that broke my googles, bring back the old facebook with the dog!!!" is likely to be taken equally seriously as some developer's politely worded "constructive" suggestion with an elaborate logical argument backing it up. In both cases your unhappiness will be taken seriously, your suggested solution will be ignored and your given reason will be treated as an indirect clue to the puzzle of working out the real reason for your dissatisfaction

Dammit Google, stop babbling to me about things I don't care about while I'm trying to have a pleasant dream about flying to Mars on a hippogriff.

I think DBVS's option 2 is probably the long-term solution, but getting there will take more time and iterations than he's hoping. In the meantime, as a stopgap I'd rather see improvements to the existing desktop frameworks (I.e. wpf) than some attempt to make yet another new shiny desktop widget toolkit, WinRT-based or not. 

For those who are interested, there's going to be a talk or interview or something of some kind with JulieLar about win8 aired live in a few minutes: http://wiredbusinessconference.com/

I kind of expect it to go over mostly the same stuff as Jensen Harris's UX Week talk, but still curious ...

@vesuvius: Yes the FT is normally respectable, but this particular article makes sensational claims and doesn't back them up.

@vesuvius: The "U-turn" etc etc isn't coming from Tami Reller's remarks. It's just made up by the writer.