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  • Ebola spreads to USA

    , FuncOfT wrote

    *snip*

    I've heard conflicting reports of that now - some say he lied even after having wheeled his cousin with Ebola in a wheelbarrow to a clinic.

    There is pretty good evidence that he lied on his way out of Liberia. Though I've not heard as to if he lied getting into the US... perhaps at the time Customs wasn't asking about travel in infected countries or close contact with infected persons.

    Others say, he reported that he WAS in Africa recently around his sick cousin and the hospital just sent him home with a high fever anyways, and that they are at fault.

    And this is something the hospital is investigating. There is a reason they call it 'practicing' medicine as it is unfortunately an imperfect field where imperfect humans are deeply involved with the diagnostic process... mistakes happen, as we see happened here.

    Anyone with that high of a fever shouldn't be sent home, Ebola or not. Racial issues may be at the root of this botched care.

    Who do you want to pay for that?

    Unfortunately hospital resources are a limited one and their ability to admit everyone who is ill simply isn't possible. At last check, Duncan was without insurance for either of his trips to the US hospital, and the first time around they didn't think Ebola so released him with some antibiotics (not an uncommon thing with a fever when something more significant isn't suspected).

    Ask yourself this... worst case lets say the first doctor was... a Grand Wizard of the KKK and said to himself "Black guy with Ebola... yeah, I'm going to get him on the street as fast as can be so he doesn't get treated and dies a horrible death"... do you think even he would be oblivious to the possibility of the infection spreading beyond just the initial person?

    Someone f-ed up... and to blame racism is a ghastly thing.

  • Ebola spreads to USA

    Thanks ScanIAm for providing a bit of utter hilarity in these dark times of Ebola, ISIS and winter coming.

    , ScanIAm wrote

    *snip*

    Thanks for taking my comment out of context and then running a near marathon with that strawman.  I'll go ahead and put it up there again so you can be sure to re-read it:

    So you accuse me of taking your quote out of context... but actually failed to provide context then or not. Sure you quoted jinx both times, neither of you specified which news reports or who was being reported on... so I did.

    How is that out of context?

    Oh right! Bringing some possible context to a discussion means implicitly taking all other statements out of context... that must be it, right?

    More so, I seem to recall even the CDC director saying that they would be able to prevent a spread from Duncan. Never mind the fact that when the first of two nurses tested positive... he went on to blame her for a breach in protocol.

    I have and continue to cite either specific articles or specific cases... you've done neither.

    Remind me now... who is pulling a strawman?

    Now, please show me where a CDC official ever stated any of that.  Or you could just slither back to FreeRepublic.com and look for more reasons why Obummer beat Liberty to death with a copy of Das Kapital.

    Again, here we see you engaging in strawman tactics as I have not cited any of those sites or arguments you seem to be implying I read. Odd how I'm not telling you to back to the Daily Kos or Pravda... it's almost as if I'm discussing the topic at hand.

    More so, did you note JohnAskew's comment from earlier today? It is one that has been of concern of many in the medical arena, the fact that Ebola transmission isn't fully understood and that it may spread easier than previously believed.

    If you want to limit sources to just the CDC then that is your right to shield yourself from other perhaps contradictory or even more correct information. That's how science tends to work, various studies put forward and examined before some being accepted and others discounted... if you wish to view the CDC as the source of all medical truth in the country that is your right... but I think you'll eventually find it a rather limited one.

    Or would you care to cite specifics facts or articles? Of course not.

  • Ebola spreads to USA

    *facepalm* Another example of the ineptitude of the CDC:

     

    Because it's so hard for the CDC to get a copy of the manifest directly from the airline.

  • Ebola spreads to USA

    @cbae: Thank you once again for your valuable contributions, you are sounding just as delusional and bating as ever.

    , JohnAskew wrote

    @dahat:  The government and CDC have botched this responsibility. It's pretty much the most important thing they've ever attempted to do, the CDC, and they're pretty much terribly failing on an ongoing basis.

    The CDC is only able to operate within narrow areas... and depending on the situation, only with the authority of those it reports to.

    The fact that there is still not a travel ban to/from affected countries is beyond me. Claims that that would hobble our aid efforts are nonsense as even with our travel ban to/from Cuba, there are ways around it and ways that we can monitor.

    We should have never de-funded the NIH, the federal government is OURS, not some enemies'. It's supposed to be there for this type of event, not run off and into the dust by political minimalists.
     

    The NIH was never 'defunded'... it still exists, per Wikipedia it had a budget of ~10 billion back in 2010. Never answered when people point to cutting of funding to this or that government organization (never mind the fact that the CDC has received more funding from the Republican house than what Obama had requested)... no one can ever say precisely what $$$ would have retrospectively been the right answer... and until someone can do that, you are engaging in the same politicking that far too many are on the left right now.

    And the CDC is showing itself to be a clown circus act.

    Aside from the fact that they are acting within the confines imposed on them... they also (understandably) have a vested interest in self-preservation and limiting panic. If the current management is found to be too incompetent, they may find themselves spending more time with their family... just like the recent axing of the head of the Secret Service... and only after a lapse which potentially endangered the President's life but not after countless previous issues.

    EDIT:

    , JohnAskew wrote

    An official close to the situation says that in hindsight, Duncan should have been transferred immediately to either Emory University Hospital in Atlanta or Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

    Those hospitals are among only four in the country that have biocontainment units and have been preparing for years to treat a highly infectious disease like Ebola.

    I agree. Not all hospitals are created equal, many specialize in different areas and may not be suited to respond to some kinds of illnesses. While there would likely be controversy over transporting an infected person and the concerns of additional exposure, leaving that to those who are better trained in such thing I would expect is less of a threat than expecting your average hospital attempt to manage the situation with input from afar.

  • Ebola spreads to USA

    , JohnAskew wrote

    "Nurses were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments, worried that their necks and heads were exposed as they cared for a patient with explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting, said Deborah Burger of National Nurses United."

    "...the Ebola patient's lab samples were allowed to travel through the hospital's pneumatic tubes, opening the possibility of contaminating the specimen delivery system. The nurses also alleged that hazardous waste was allowed to pile up to the ceiling."

    -- This is a complete failure of our government and the CDC. This second nurse was on a Frontier airline flight from Cleveland on the 13th, she went to the hospital with Ebola symptoms the next morning.

    "CDC also says woman who went to Ohio should not have been travelling after having contact with Ebola patient." 

    -100

    You mean their oh so perfect protocols weren't followed to the letter? *gasp*

    And these new possible exposures in addition to the other 70 or so who interacted with Duncan while he was being treated... not to mention his family here in the states (who violated their isolation agreement possibly exposing others)... the first responders to the apartment... the NBC news crew who also violated their isolation agreement.

    EDIT:

    , JohnAskew wrote

    "Because of the proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning, CDC is reaching out to passengers who flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth Oct. 13," the CDC said in a statement. The flight landed Monday at 8:16 p.m. CT. - she boarded the plane with a temperature of 99.5 F... was she REALLY told not to fly or is that BS cover-up after the fact?

    The CDC & local authorities have been asking those suspected of being exposed to agree to stay home (ignoring the risks to other members of the household)... the only enforcement they are using today is seeking a judicial order AFTER they violate the agreement to state home.

    Of course, these requests are a bit problematic as most people don't have enough food around their house to hold out up to the full 21 days of exposure.

    Remember too, Duncan lied on a form when leaving the infected area about his not having had contact with anyone infected... our domestic response is only slightly more advanced.

  • Ebola spreads to USA

    , ScanIAm wrote

    *snip*

    I don't know what kind of news you have been listening to for the last 40+ years, but I've heard officials say exactly the opposite of what you claimed they have said.

    Care to cite that news? Or how about some recent news? I seem to recall the guy at the top saying the following recently:

    First and foremost, I want the American people to know that our experts, here at the CDC and across our government, agree that the chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are extremely low.  We've been taking the necessary precautions, including working with countries in West Africa to increase screening at airports so that someone with the virus doesn't get on a plane for the United States.  In the unlikely event that someone with Ebola does reach our shores, we've taken new measures so that we're prepared here at home.

    Sure you've heard the opposite claims... the opposite of what was claimed have turned out to be true. What does that say about the quality of the reporting/predictions?

    The necessary precautions failed to prevent Duncan from entering the country. The controls here at home also failed to prevent infection of the two nurses... and it still early.

    Hell, even the CDC had to walk back their claims that the first nurse clearly violated their oh so perfect protocols... I guess #2 did so similarly.

    There is a reason I brought up the Spanish Inquisition... this constant need to rapidly reframe the issue suggests they not that the situation is changing rapidly, but that they are both not prepared but also not able to adequately manage the situation.

    NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

  • Ebola spreads to USA

    , jinx101 wrote

    • Officials: "It won't spread from the Bush"
    • Reality:  It did.
    • Officials: "It won't spread to the cities".
    • Reality:  It did.
    • Officials: "It won't spread in the cities if it gets there, it's too hard to contract".
    • Reality:  It did.
    • Officials:  "It won't make it to Europe or the US"
    • Reality:  It did. 

      Skip ahead to 40 seconds in to get to the point.

    • It's called...

      Isn't it possible that the powers that be just like base 9 counting?

    • Can a Surface Pro 3 (or any Windows 8 tablet) replace your laptop?

      @cbae: It's bad enough that you keep refusing to acknowledge or understand the points being raised by others here... it's quite another when you outright lie in order to defend your stance.

      , cbae wrote

      *snip*

      Wrong about what? I speculated the reason for the gap. Do you not see the "???".

      Where oh where is the "???" in this thread? Only in two spots actually... in your last post and in my quote of it.

      Want more lies? You have continually said that that there is all of this 'wasted space' and that gap is 'useless':

      , cbae wrote

      Look at all the wasted space above the top row of keys:

      , cbae wrote

      *snip*

      The gap in and of itself is useless.

      It has been explained why this gap exists. You've ignored it. Then you discover why the gap exists... but it's seeming irrelevant.

      By people experiencing the tears.

      Again you fail to pay attention. The issue was experienced by a small % of people who were using the product as designed (my wife included). The problem has clearly been resolved as it's not an ongoing thing.

      You're getting sidetracked, dude. Focus on the Type Cover 3. As I said before, regardless of the reason for the gap in the Type Cover 2, it doesn't pertain to the Type Cover 3.

      I'm getting sidetracked? You are the one highlighting the internals of the Type Cover 2 to understand why the gap is important... then go off on your tangent again because the facts are deemed unimportant with regards to the Type Cover 3.

      Wait no... you're right, that's not getting sidetracked... that's called running straight off the end of the tracks because you ignored every warning sign along the way.

      I'm done arguing with someone over this who repeatedly ignored the explanations from me and others and who has failed to do even basic research or reasoning as to if this is actually a problem with tactile time on the device.

    • Can a Surface Pro 3 (or any Windows 8 tablet) replace your laptop?

      , cbae wrote

      *snip*

      WTF are you talking about?

      Hit a nerve have we?

      When did I say ICs were placed in that space?

      Explicitly you didn't, however in an image above you highlighted a specific area saying "Plenty of space for wiring if that is indeed the reason for the extra margin on the Type Cover 2".

      Anyone with a basic understanding of keyboards knows that wiring would not make sense to move to such an area without moving the associated ICs along with.

      I'm sorry for assuming you had such a basic understanding.

      My whole point is that the extra space for whatever reason was required in the Type Cover 2 would already be accommodated in the Type Cover 3 even if the keys were pushed up further.

      Again you demonstrate that you are not paying attention.

      If you were, you would come to realize that that pushing those keys more to the top would mean moving them (and the fingers which push them) very close to the screen... resulting in accidental input on the touch display.

      You try paying attention next time.

      My point for point refutation of virtually every word you have said seems to suggest that I am... odd how you keep failing to recognize that.