50 minutes ago, cbae wrote
We're talking about guns, aren't we? If you want to talk about the "countless other items", feel free to start a thread, and I'll be happy to chime in.
It is still useful to point out the irrational and uneven hysteria you demonstrate... doubly so when you invoke parallels to similarly 'dangerous' items.
Drawing down? Let's start be reducing the * rate of growth first. I really don't give a rat's * if some idiot fabricates a gun with a 3D printer. That's sweating the small stuff. Let's worry more about Smith & Wesson and Winchester bringing millions of new guns into the market every year.
Again, this is why it's so clear you've got a bad case of hoplophobia... you are worried about an inanimate object which on it's own is neither good nor evil... it just is... and ignore the massive #'s that already exist today and will remain functional for many decades to come and focus on the relatively small number of new items being built.
They can get into feminine hygiene products for all I care. They can get into an industry that we want to foster and receive the tax break in doing so, do something else entirely, downsize, or just go BK.
This is also what we call classical fascism... why is it you liberals don't like to properly own that label? You know, what Mussolini spoke of, a 'third-way', separate from Communism & Capitalism.
Health officials are starting to predict the end of smoking in the US, and when it happens smoking will be the first behavior that I can think of that's been legislated away. Let's see what Altria does in the mean time.
If I were to put my nanny-state hat on... I would point out that there are serious health concerns when using cigarettes in the proscribed manner, yet those same risks to the user do not exist for firearms.
While lead poisoning is perhaps a long term risk with heavy use in poorly ventilated areas (something most safety manuals which comes with a new firearm warns against), a firearm remains a tool and it's use or abuse should be blamed on the user, not the tool... thus your comparison is irrelevant.
Gee, maybe there's a connection there.
If you knew your history or law, you'd know that prices started to increases back in 1986, and not in response to lawfully owned machine guns, silencers or short barreled rifles or shotguns being used in crimes.
Taxation isn't criminalization.
When there are criminal penalties to not paying the tax and not having a way to prove that a tax was paid or not required... yes it is.
New laws are rarely enacted in a vacuum. Other laws usually have to change when new laws pass. Do you really have a problem with ending the ability to transfer firearms in this manner?
Yes, I am against registration requirements for firearms... but then I am also against the requirement to register vehicles which are not used on public roads.
Drinking and driving is frowned upon by society as a whole, and even the manufacturers implore people to drink responsibly. The second gun manufacturers agree to publicly discourage the purchase and use of firearms the way tobacco manufacturers are required to, then you can use that analogy.
Did I miss the commercials where Smith & Wesson is suggesting using their wares for holding up liquor stores, Glock touting the fact that their pistols are best used in drive-bys, and Colt suggesting that would-be school shooters should consider their arms?
Or are you saying they need to come out and say "please don't use our products for evil" in a way that even you cannot ignore (because I'm fairly certain they and the NRA do).
I suspect the reason the end of most liquor commercials end with "please use responsibly" is because of a CYA move suggested by their lawyers, fearing that someone using one of their mind altering substances may do something bad.
Again, how exactly is that comparable to firearms? Or do they cause measurable impairment of judgment?
LOL. I'm pretty sure game animals survived for millions of years without the help of humans to "cull" their numbers. This is such a reach, it's laughable.
LOL, you help to prove my point, you have no understanding of rural ecology.
Or would you like to admit that in addition to being a liberal and a fascist, you are also and ignorant urbanite whose only understanding of the rural world is what you see out of an airplane window?
In a proper 'wild' environment, animals and their food sources tend to end up in a more or less steady equilibrium.
Agriculture on this continent is relatively new (only a few hundred years at most, much less in some areas), that has increased the available food supply and has resulted in larger populations of quite a few species of wild animals... and with a limited # of natural predators, the number of methods that are available for population control are limited, but clear when you understand the problem.
What is so hard to understand about that?
When you refuse to think, the only option is to think for you and educate.
Instead of making excuses for why an idea won't work, why not try thinking of ways to make the idea work or presenting your own solution? I'm really not hearing anything worthwhile coming from you despite your thinking that you're the only one with the mental capacity to think things through entirely.
There is the thing... you are focusing on the wrong 'problem', you are focusing on a piece of metal, I'm telling you why your focus is wrong and why your proposed solutions are unworkable as you've not thought them through.
I've never claimed to be the only one with the mental capacity to think these things through entirely, I have probably studied the issues at hand far more than you or most you will meet.
First you need to correctly define the problem... and having a bunch of guns in of itself isn't a problem.
is people using them for evil a problem? Sure, but take a step back... why are they doing such things? Do you want to know what the underlying problem in virtually all shootings is?
Should we outlaw people? No, that'd be just as silly as what you are pushing.
We've seen a multi-generational cultural shift over the years where people are less able to handle adversity and find healthy ways to deal with what issues that they face... and have instead all too often come to think that lashing out is an ok way to deal with it.
Fixing this is not something that can be achieved from the top-down, it must come from the bottom-up.. alas it is the top-down which has retarded such a thing.