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6 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

@kettch:

Let's put it in perspective. There are a over a billion users of MS Windows. If only 10,000 of them are annoyed at any given feature, that's only 0.00001% of Windows' userbase. If everyone else is satisfied, that's a 99.99999% satisfaction rating.

Or the rest just don't care anymore or if they do they just feel powerless which is one more step towards Windows becoming irrelevant to the average consumer (who primarilly uses their computer for consuming).

 

I'm glad to see there actually IS someting like UserVoice.
Thank you kettch.

By the way...
I used Daniel's article as an example because I know some people with the power to actually fix things listen to them. As for complaints about features, I think Windows Phone is handled by some pretty competent people that really care about their product.

It's when it comes to Win8/RT that the stereotypical big bumbling Microsoft needs the most help from us users.

We all know that the people at Microsoft who have the power to make a real difference tend to just ignore anything bad being said about their products and that complaining on C9 won't change anything. It's gone on for so long that they could never get anything done if they payed to much attention to it.

SO... I wonder how many of these people at least read articles from reputable websites like WPCentral?
Is the way to get our concerns heard simply to make sure that the people who actually have a chance of getting heard know what the majority of us (mostly tech geeks) care about most? Using people like WPCentral as a go-between?

Daniel Rubino just wrote an article named "8 things that Microsoft needs to fix in Windows Phone 8 right now".
He didn't come up with all those points by himself. He's a journalist (in the modern online kind of way) and his job involves listening to what the users of Microsoft products want and need, things most of us can agree should be done to keep the slow moving goliath company moving in the right direction.

So... Complaining on C9 which is owned by a team at Microsoft just leads to other 9ers saying "stop complaining" and probably isn't going to help anyway because the higher ups stopped listening to complaints from geeks on forums a LONG time ago.

Other than the forums at WPCentral, for example, where else is a good place for people to voice their concerns about weaknesses in MS products? Somewhere where the people running the site can spot trends on what the people want/need and then write about them in a more organized way that has a chance to get noticed.

I know Long Zheng doesn't want to do a Win8 Taskforce website but a similar site would be nice too.

Elliott from Makible http://makibox.com/ wrote on The Verge forums that he's interested in writing a WP8 app to control a 3D printer to make a shell for the Lumia 820.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/24/3909426/nokia-3d-printing-lumia-820-hands-on#140075707
It would be a fun experiment to use an 820 to start the process of making a case for itself

@JohnAskew: and he's got a nice synth coverd shirt

Or maybe Paul already knows Dan Parker and this is an elaborate hoax

Of course none of this makes MS fans look cool in any way so I doubt it.

1 hour ago, wastingtime​withforums wrote

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All this could roll-in with a huge "We have listened!" - campaign.

I'd love a "We have listened!" campaign too. It would make them feel less like a big faceless company and more like the smart people they really are (and by "they" I mean the developers, not the people in charge of making money at all cost)
People who are in charge of big company software purchases for their employees would love it too.

2 days ago, Laura10 wrote

I wouldn't even LOOK at a guy with a gamerscore under 200,000.

 

Maybe Dan should be a special guest on Ping since Paul's in California now
as long as he doesn't attempt to "dance"

14 hours ago, contextfree` wrote

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MS is well aware that people are caring less about Windows and PCs lately - that's why they decided a radical change like Win8 was necessary in the first place.

but they could have done that without removing the ability for non-touch users to use the new OS in the way that is more acceptable to them

It's not like we're asking for something new to fix a problem. We're just asking for them to put something back so we can have a smoother transition from the old way and the new way during the years that all the older non-touch computers are still being used.
Win 8 seems to be a great modern OS and that's what makes this situation so annoying to those of us who haven't yet got a modern touch enabled device but would like to use it OR the people who have bought a new computer that doesn't have a touchscreeen that has Win8 pre-installed on it but find it clumsy compared to the old Win7 interface.

Our (us nerds) complaints make it seem to the average non-nerd as if Win8 is a bad OS when obviously it's not. They don't get that we're complaining about usability and the inability to customize it to something that suits the way we work, not stability or any deep technical problem with drivers, compatibility and such like in the days of Vista.