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Elmer elmer I'm on my very last life.
  • CSS Boxing/​Content Editor?

    figuerres said:
    W3bbo said:

    SAD...  makes me wonder if the problem is the tools or the css/html definitions and rules...


    seems like it should be possible to have a visual tool that works and generates reasonable markup.

    possibly a good project for someone who is all for using CSS to help the less skilled get it right.

    perhaps a good thing for a person working on a degree to study and get credit for also....


    Why do developers want to make it easier for non-developers ?


    I say, let's keep it arcane and a black-art... let's make it as difficult as possible, and make noobs pay for our expertise.

  • Adobe is now resorting to magic in the new Photoshop

    figuerres said:

    at the end the name of the poster is "RoyalTricks"  just a small clue.

    I think that's a re-post.



  • C9 page load time problems - is it just me ?

    Charles said:
    W3bbo said:

    There's this little thing known as reduncancy... Further, C9 traffic is quite high... We have the typical mutiple-server setup that most modern websites employ. The performance issues experienced here are a combination of inefficiencies that Duncan et al are ironing out. Right now, C9 is blazing for me. But not too many minutes ago, it wasn't. We are well aware of the problems and working hard to remove the bottlenecks (not all of these are code related.....).


    C9 has NEVER been blazing for me, it varies from mediocre at its best, to totally unusable at its worst... and unfortunately, it is more often the later than the former. Personally, I'd suspect a routing & load-balancing issue... but it should not be hard to profile the problem.

  • IE9 test drive

    Typhoon87 said:
    CreamFilling512 said:

    the really need to backport and have an XP build. Ignoring 70% of the internet connected computer world is suicide, they better change this. They dug themselvs into this whole by waiting soooooo long to release IE 7 after IE 6, they really should have moved a bit quicker.

    Given that XP is now in the extended support phase of its lifecycle (no free tech support, warranty claims or design changes) and well on the way to full retirement (Apr 2014) I would think it unlikley that MS are going to release something that will force them to provide tech support for XP.

  • Funny thing about IE9 preview. Size and Install.

    Sven Groot said:
    AndyC said:

    IE6 was the first version of IE to distinguish standards and quirks mode with the doctype switch. Quirks mode essentially meant "render using IE5's incorrect box model".

    IE7 still only had standards vs. quirks mode. It couldn't emulate IE6's standards mode.

    IE8 has quirks, IE7 standards, and IE8 standards modes. While it could emulate IE7, apparently they didn't feel the need to emulate IE6 standards mode as well.

    IE9 just adds its own new IE9 standards mode, and the ability to emulate IE8 standards mode. It still can't emulate IE6.


    As Andy speculated, I agree that "IE5" in the preview simply means quirks mode. IE6 is missing because none of the earlier versions could ever emulate IE6 standards mode.


    EDIT: One of the reasons why the real IE's installation is comparatively slow is because most of IE's files are critical OS components that are under Windows File Protection. Replacing those files takes a little more doing than just overwriting them (if you did, WFP would simply put the old version back). The preview doesn't replace anything (since it's installed side-by-side) so it doesn't need to do that and can install much quicker.

    IE5 mode ~= 'quirks' mode ~= IE6 mode


    How confusing.


    How about we just label it: f*ked-up mode.

  • Is the greatest opportunity for Microsoft Bing,google out of the Chinese market

    W3bbo said:
    elmer said:

    I think he's refering to immorality on the government's part: in a transparent societ transgressions by the nation's management can be more easily investigated, made public, and so corrected through due-process. When there isn't transparency it's easy for corruption and power abuse to breed.

    Again, the point I'm making is that morality is like beauty... in the eye of the beholder.


    You might consider an action to be immoral, but that doesn't make it so, or make it illegal.


    Legal frameworks (includng international law) are required to deal with the very fact that people don't agree on morality.

  • IE9 test drive

    wastingtimewithforums said:
    elmer said:

    When IE7 came out (october 2006) the market share of Win2000 was around 5%.


    XP has currently 65%.


    65% is substantially more than 5%. The situation is a wee different, don't you think?

    In respect to what ?


    The browser world is also totally different now and XP users have plenty of choice... install an alternative like Firefox or Opera, upgrade to IE8, or even upgrade the O/S to Win7.


    However, if you look at the stats, an awful lot of XP users are also IE6 users, so releasing IE9 for XP is a wasted exercise for them, as they won't upgrade.


    As I said, I don't believe that there will be a backlash from the community MS is interested in... people who pay for their software.

  • Is the greatest opportunity for Microsoft Bing,google out of the Chinese market

    Matthew van Eerde said:
    JeremyJ said:

    > it is not Microsoft's job to be the moral police.  It is their job to make money.


    I sort of disagree on this.  Yes, it is not Microsoft's job to dictate moral behavior to others, but we do have a duty to be moral ourselves.


    It all works out, though.  In a transparent society, immoral behavior carries a stiff penalty.

    In a transparent society, immoral behavior carries a stiff penalty.


    Really? In which transparent society is morality legislated ??

    Morality is a personal code of conduct, that can be adopted/taught by like-minded groups, but in a transparent society, is not something that can be unilaterally imposed.

    In most transparent societies, we recognise that there is often a huge rift in the moral codes of people/groups, and that it's not necessarily a problem for that situation to exist... provided the law is not breached by either side.

    I know full well that many people in my community would consider me highly immoral, because of my total rejection of all religions and all of the ridiculous moral codes attached to them... but I don't recall ever being penalised for that.

    There are stiff penalties for breaking the law, but morality is highly flexible, and we often reward behaviour that many would find immoral and/or repugnant.

    Personally, I have a real problem with the financial, legal, real-estate, energy, etc, sectors of business, and consider most of them to be immoral... but they sure get well rewarded for their work.

  • Funny thing about IE9 preview. Size and Install.

    W3bbo said:
    Dodo said:

    Actually IE6 changed things massively from IE5, including massive changes in support for CSS2 features.


    I understand "IE6" isn't an option because IE7 Compatibility Mode is essentially the same as IE6 sans serious layout bugs. These aren't mere differences in rendering that poorly made applications might rely upon, but actually broken rendering that was fixed in IE7 (they spent their time fixing this in IE7 rather than completing CSS2.1 support, that's what they did in IE8). If an application was written against IE6 it's going to work in IE7 compatibility mode.


    But the inclusion of IE5 mode is interesting, I wonder if it's just a rebranding for IE6's own Quirks Mode, I don't believe Microsoft would actively put effort into reproducing IE5's rendering behaviour: IE5 was only out for just over a year and a bit before IE6 came out (not forgetting IE5.5 in the middle) and IE6 was widely accepted by enterprises.

    IE5 was only out for just over a year and a bit before IE6 came out (not forgetting IE5.5 in the middle)


    How long is a bit ?


    According to Wiki


    5.0   Mar 1999

    5.5   Jul 2000

    6.0   Aug 2001

  • Is the greatest opportunity for Microsoft Bing,google out of the Chinese market

    W3bbo said:
    JeremyJ said:

    Microsoft's job isn't the "moral police", no, China already has a police for that.


    You cannot say that companies are totally amoral: for example, what if Microsoft were in IBM's situation circa 1935: IBM was already providing data handling equipment to the German government, and then they decided to get IBM to build a system for recording the nation's .Jews. IBM could see what was going on, but decided to take the contract anyway, since it was good money.


    It's an extreme example, and I apologize for godwinning the thread already, but all companies have a point at which they disagree with what they're doing and decide to back out, Microsoft is clearly more amoral than Google, but probably a lot more than 1930's IBM.


    Point is, Microsoft is being complicit with political censorship if they continue operating in China. The argument that they might be able to exert "positive" influence over the Government or are somehow "helping" the population by providing a censured service is bunk.


    Morality, is not a term easily used as a label, as it generally requires conditions and is often uniquely individual.


    I suspect a better term for what you are describing is: Commercially Expedient.


    Focussing on the immediate commercial benefits, while disregarding the ethics and principles which may be compromised and/or the negative impact to the community.