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C9 seems to have become very negative in the past few months, and so I'm going to be taking my leave for a while.
C9 was always supposed to be about trying to get a Microsoft view-point on stuff, and learn about cool new technologies and how they work before they hit the stores.
It was supposed to be about understanding why Microsoft does stuff and how Microsoft does stuff.
Complaining about Microsoft stuff or trying to change how Microsoft does stuff were always better handled by other forums such as slashdot or connect. C9 was always supposed to be positive and informative: "I wonder why on earth they made this decision" and then a Microsoft viewpoint that makes you think "aha - there is a reason, and that reason changes how I see the world".
Sadly a lot of posts on C9 recently have been exceptionally negative and delved far beyond constructive criticism. In trying to be positive and try to think of reasons why Microsoft made decisions, I seem to have made things worse - kicking up a storm of anger from some people here on C9 that I never intended or expected to happen, and for that I apologise.
The return of beer28 seems to have reduced the number of actual (declared) Microsoft folk here to almost zero and the few who are left abstain from discussions to do with Microsoft.
The secrecy of Win8 has meant that even the videos haven't been particularly insightful of late, focusing instead on early-stage language and concurrency research rather than products like IE, Office, VS and Windows.
So anyway, after a bit of thought I've decided to take an extended holiday from C9. It's been great while it lasted, and I'll miss you guys.
So until I return, farewell niners!
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23 seconds ago, Heywood_J wrote
Wrong. Those search results are 100% meaningless, due to the fact that Google sucks.
Fine. Whatever. It was just a mini-experiment.
And for the record, you get similar results on Yahoo and Bing as well.
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5 hours ago, SteveRichter wrote
A C like language with built in behavior that makes sure handles are closed and memory deallocated. Can call managed code, WinRT and COM. Easily handle ANSI and Unicode strings.
Like C#:
* A C like language Check
* makes sure handles are closed and memory deallocated. Check.
* Can call managed code, Check
* WinRT Check
* and COM Check
* Easily handle ANSI and Unicode strings. Check.
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45 minutes ago, blowdart wrote
Windows 8 killer pigeon : About 24,300,000 results (0.12 seconds)
The best bit is that this thread is now the top hit for that
It wasn't supposed to be a scientific study. It was just an indication that whilst some people are very loudly objecting to Win8, that doesn't mean that everyone hates it.
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Just an interesting experiement:
Windows 8 "good idea": 44.9m hits on Google
Windows 8 "bad idea": 7.5m hits on Google
Windows 8 "great": 2830m hits on Google
Windows 8 "terrible": 91.6m hits on Google.
Seems like a lot of people actually quite like Win8 :/
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I think the problem (once again) is that Microsoft made the mistake of telling people what it was doing, rather than just releasing it and getting a pile of celebrities and adverts to say "wow - now my desktop is swooshy! Why have an iPad 3 when you can have a Windows 8".
When was the last time you saw Android or Apple releasing pre-consumer technology for the news outlets to tear to shreds?
Metro mode doesn't make sense if you don't have apps or an app-store and the interface didn't work well enough in the Developer Preview for people to see the point. It also takes a week or so to get used to, but most people tried it once, said "this is icky" and then took to the blog-o-sphere to spout nonsense. It's almost fashionable these days to complain about Windows8 on twitter, blogs and news-stories, and Microsoft aren't doing anything to control the bad press like Google and Apple do with their products.
Microsoft have also made the mistake of telling people what won't be in Windows8, rather than what will. Apple don't point out that iPads don't have DVD drives, or that you can't run programs in a classic windowed desktop mode on their tablets. Microsoft shouldn't have said anything about it either.
Microsoft should also have specific logic in the DP and CP to prevent you running it in a VM. Windows8 DP/CP completely suck in a VM, and that's how most people have been running it up till now, and exactly how most people won't be using it when it gets released.
The shame is that metro is actually quite usable now, but once again Microsoft has allowed half its user-base to get so terrified of Windows8 that they'll ask PC-World or Walmart for the "Windows7 version please, because I hear the Windows8 one wakes up at night and scares children" without even trying it.
Nobody else does PR quite like Microsoft.
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12 minutes ago, SteveRichter wrote
*snip*
is there any talk within Microsoft to have its own native programming language?
Not that I've seen. Most programmers are either happy using the C/C++/ManagedC++ that they have, or have chosen to go for a managed language. I'm not sure adding a new native language to the mix would have any momentum at Microsoft or with developers.
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52 minutes ago, BitFlipper wrote
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{
public static string Longest(string s1, string s2)
{
if (s1 == null)
return s2;
if (s2 == null)
return s1;
return s1.Length >= s2.Length ? s1 : s2;
}
}...or...
public static extension struct float
{
public static float[] FromPcm16(Int16[] srcBuffer)
{
var dstBuffer = new float[srcBuffer.Length];
// Convert to float...
return dstBuffer;
}
}What's wrong with
public static class StringHelper
{
public static string Longest(string s1, string s2)
{
if (s1 == null)
return s2;
if (s2 == null)
return s1;
return s1.Length >= s2.Length ? s1 : s2;
}
}...or...
public static struct FloatHelper
{
public static float[] FromPcm16(Int16[] srcBuffer)
{
var dstBuffer = new float[srcBuffer.Length];
// Convert to float...
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}
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