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sylvan wrote:



gaurav.net wrote:  Especially about how we can make Functional languages to truly evolve by adding sort of Transaction thing...( which has been well done in data world )

You may be interested to hear that Haskell has had transactions since 2005. In fact, there's a channel 9 video about them with Simon Peyton Jones and Tim Harris (though it's more general, and not specifically about their Haskell implementation).

Exactly the kind of talk i was thinking about...

DLR and Ruby, i hav been looking into it recently...

so thx for this one charles, Downloading...

seems very much interesting...

Much better than first time...
Thx..

aL_ wrote:



gaurav.net wrote:  Also, Gilad had his viewpoints and is nothing wrong or arrogant..

well ofcourse he is entitled to his own oppinion
but i think he is definitly wrong about people not wanting to learn.. its very hard not to learn as a programmer.. its a creative process. i think that if you dont like learning you will fail as a programmer and end up doing other work. also, as previously stated, real world programmers does have a job to do. they dont always have the time to stroke their beards and bury themselvs in theory, but that doesnt mean they dont want to, i whould certinaly like to have time to do that (as long as its useful atleast).

what i find arrogant is his blatant disses of far more successful technoligis like c#, java, the clr and c++ as crap (compared to newspeak and smalltalk), and that he attribute their success to programmer ignorance rather than quality of the respective systems..

its like its never the fault of smalltalk or erlang or haskell or whatever that they are not widly accepted, because they have no flaws (according to their inventors/proponents). its just that everone else is to stupid to understand their greatness. i know im exaggerating but you get my point

to me, thats the same kind of rethoric that mac and linux fanbois (that do not make up the entirety of those communities) use against windows. "its crap and people only use it because they're stupid, if they where smart (like me) the whould use the system im using"

i know he doesnt say that but to me, he(and many others) comes across like meaning that..  it doesnt really sound like hes making a joke, but charles tells me his sense of humor is complex..  i think "jokes" like are very ofputting to the programmer comunities he whould want to use stuff like newspeak. if youre reading this gilad, please consider this constructive feedback.

a great example of someone who does not come across as arrogant and make "his" technique sound very appealing and approachable is erik meijer. he does a great job explaining the concepts of fp without make it uncessecary complicated. so major bigup on erik. i think Gilad whould have a far easier time getting smalltalk and newspeak widely accepted if he took a page from erik

and another thing, saying that you can make dynamic systems fast and efficient is not good enough. you have to actually do it. like what microsoft has done with the dlr.. twice as fast as cpython last year, and its built on the clr with its static type system

but again, a very interesting video, just because i disagree with some stuff doesnt make it bad