easily one of the most interesting chats i've seen for a long time - i love this level of conversation and would really like to see more of this kind of interaction between ms and google here or elsewhere.  

ms _is_ doing very interesting research projects - google _is releasing_  very interesting research projects.  i want the research arm of ms take more of a lead in actual production systems .  it's abundantly clear that we would all benifit from ms sales keeping out of what makes it to production.