Channel 9 - Discussions by irascian http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png Channel 9 - Discussions by irascian http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/irascian/Discussions Channel 9 keeps you up to date with the latest news and behind the scenes info from Microsoft that developers love to keep up with. From LINQ to SilverLight – Watch videos and hear about all the cool technologies coming and the people behind them. http://channel9.msdn.com/Niners/irascian/Discussions en Sat, 25 May 2013 21:06:56 GMT Sat, 25 May 2013 21:06:56 GMT Rev9 0 0 0 Tech Off - Widnows Xp SP3 It is incorrect to say XP Service Pack 3 has been tested with Vista - it has nothing to do with Vista.

In fact it's incorrect to say that Microsoft have launched XP Service Pack 3 since it is not out yet, officially due "2Q 2008". They have (yesterday) made available on Microsoft Downloads a document (not really worth the paper it might be printed on) outlining what will be in XP Sp3 but that's all.

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blowdart wrote:
There will be virtual labs to play with as well.

Some of which I may be running *grin*


Why don't you use a spelling checker? There's only one 'n' (and an 'i') in "ruining" [6]

Sounds like maybe the virtual labs area might be a good place for 9ers to maybe try and meet up (assuming nobody here knows the layout of the venue or a good meeting place ahead of the event itself).

Given the difficulties we've had in the past with people failing to meet up at much smaller events like DDD I would suggest posting a time (or even several times) and place here BEFORE the event if people want to meet up.

It's not finalised yet but looking like I'm going to be pretty tied up most of the day as a "roaming" cameraman (one of four cameraman covering things) for the event, so can't make any guarantees I will be able to meet up but if you know a time/place ahead of time it would be cool to get some 'on camera' reactions of 9ers to the day. If most are staying on for the drinks in the evening that would probably be the best time for me.

Ian

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SlackmasterK wrote:


Neat... Was this posted somewhere before and we missed it?


Yes and no.

Yes it was posted here before.
No "we" didn't miss it, "you" did. Wink

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Dr Herbie wrote:



Charles:  perhaps you should get in there and make sure C9-guys are added to the goody-bag.  That'll generate a rash of new 9ers.



Herbie


A rash? You make it sound like something unpleasant.

But I don't see this would achieve much. There have been enough figures doled out at different events and I'm constantly meeting people who say they visit Channel 9 but are never seen on the forums.

I am insanely jealous of these folks - I think their absence from here might mean that they actually have lives!

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Terrestrial HD broadcasting is disappointing - full of artefacts and poor compression.

Discs on the other hand are another matter:

I started with HD-DVD (my preferred format)
Then Blu-Ray

And now I just got the Sony PMW-EX1 camera which shoots stunning footage in 1080p (see some showreels on philipbloom.co.uk for what sold me on this camera) and captures everything to PCI Express cards with two "hot swap" slots on the camera.

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blowdart wrote:
Mine's not hard to figure out.


Nor mine!

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Even the most basic research pulls up the following facts, so before we all rush to condemn bear in mind the following:

Fact: no suicide note was found. This is unusual in high-profile cases like this.
Fact: no non-prescription drugs were found
Fact: In an interview with New York Times last November Ledger complained his body was exhausted but his mind couldn't turn off. He complained he was averaging just two hours sleep a night.
Fact: He said that even the strongest sleeping pills were only working for him for an hour.
Fact: He had been working in London on Saturday and was undoubtedly jet-lagged when he returned to New York

I'm waiting for the autopsy but in all the tabloid muck-raking that's going on I'm finding it hard to find any facts that justify some of the snide insinuations they're making.

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W3bbo wrote:


Fair 'nuff. Anyone know the cause of death?


A lot of speculation at the moment, pending the outcome of the post mortem, but the police have said sleeping pills were found near the body and they suspect an overdose.

Perhaps the most telling comments are those the actor gave in an interview before Christmas:


"Ledger was taking sleeping pills after completing I'm Not There, in which he played one of the many incarnations of singer Bob Dylan.

He told The New York Times in a November interview that he "stressed out a little too much'' during the Dylan film, and had trouble sleeping while portraying the Joker, whom he called a "psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy".

"Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night," Ledger told the Times.

"I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going."

He said he took two Ambien pills, which only worked for an hour, the paper said."

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W3bbo wrote:

irascian wrote:
Trying to do too many things at once, and still in shock at news of death of Heath Ledger.


I barely know who the guy is, other than that he's starred in a bunch of movies that never interested me.

Does this rank above or below the death of Anna Nicole Smith?


Unfair. Ledger had real talent. Indeed even when the film was crap ("Brothers Grimm" anyone?) Ledger was always a stand-out as being consistently good. He was that rare thing, a chameleon actor who fully took on a role and added something to it instead of just playing himself in everything he was in.

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JChung2006 wrote:
That's Douglas Crockford, not David Crockford.


Sorry my bad!

Trying to do too many things at once, and still in shock at news of death of Heath Ledger.

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http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/  

The three lessons from David Crockford that you'll find there are the best JavaScript training you'll find and, as he says in one of the videos most of the JavaScript books are rubbish. The only one he has any time for is the O'Reilly book (the one with the rhinoceraus on the cover).

On a similar note I find most of Eric Meyer's books (he's written a LOT!) on CSS a bit heavy going, but the video training he put together for http://www.lynda.com  is excellent. You can try the first section for free and then just sign up for a month to finish the whole course. They also have some good JavaScript courses on there as well which you could do as part of your month's subscription.

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I know C9 is all about being more "open" and all, but really there are times when washing dirty laundry should be done in private (or using the original launderette, not moved to the big flash one where everyone can see in the windows and there are security cameras recording everything going on).

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W3bbo wrote:


Yeahyeah, but I'm still there for VS08, and the chance to berate someone over the "Vista-menus-on-XP" issue.


Yeah, yeah, but the event ISN'T all about you! Tongue Out

W3bbo wrote:


No different than last time, there wasn't a Manchester one in 2005.


My bad, but the point still stands. 2005 launch took place in at least 3 places as I recall (was the other one Scotland perhaps?) whereas this time it's just one -> reduced costs = budget reduction.

Truth is what do Microsoft lose by giving away VS2008? A few MSDN subscriptions maybe? Most people who go for the freebie wouldn't have been prepared to pay for it anyway. Those who rely on it for their job will either have got their company to buy it for them or purchased their own copy by then anyway.

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W3bbo wrote:
 it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft toned down the budget for VS08. It's not as though it's as "revolutionary".

....we still get free copies of VS08 Pro, right?


It's NOT just about VS08 (in fact I suspect that may get least prominence) - Win Server 2008 and SQL Server 2008 are the highlight items.

And since they're only holding the event in Birmingham, with no London or Manchester launch, I think that's the budget slashed right there!

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CannotResolveSymbol wrote:
Ooh, Ballmer keynote!

But, besides that...

Here's to hoping there's a public beta released at Mix.


I think that's pretty much 100% guaranteed (although they might call it an "alpha" or "CTP" or some such nonsense).

My money's on Silverlight 2.0 beta and go live license also being announced.

Any other guesses? Place your bets here.

The irony is that the non-attendees usually get this stuff first anyway. It's all prepared and launched around the time the keynote gets delivered but of course attendees are stuck in sessions with appaling conference wireless access while the rest of the world accesses whatever's been launched via Broadband. Such is the power of the internet.

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I imagine it will follow the formula of most of these events (TechEd, PDC etc) albeit on a smaller (more intimate?) scale - a good chance to network and get re-enthused, especially about future stuff away from the dreary day job, but probably not great value for money if your main reason for attending is training (the conference itself is reasonably priced but the hotel, even discounted, is extortionate).

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ScanIAm wrote:


I use VSS and for small projects, I've found it to do everything that is needed. 



You think those endless database corruptions and warning that you need to analyze the database are "needed"?!!! :O

Used SourceSafe at Ford about 8 years ago and it was a nightmare - we lost the database twice and quickly moved to something else. Then 6 months ago I got a contract where they were using SourceSafe 2005. It seemed like every wretched morning you'd get in to find it warning you that the SourceSafe database needed analyzing and fixing.

It's real fun when you rename files!

It is by far the worst source control system out there. Are there any other than SourceSafe that DON'T support continuous integration?

SourceSafe - just say no! 

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Kryptos wrote:
it is a beta


What's a beta? Silverlight 1.0 is RTM.

Silverlight 1.1/aka 2.0 is an "alpha" and has no "Go live" license available yet so shouldn't be in use on any 'production' site.

The Microsoft Downloads site is Silverlight 1.0 I believe, and given performance of other Silverlight sites I suspect any performance problems are nothing to do with Silverlight (but I'm too lazy to analyse the page and http traffic to work out what IS causing the problem).

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Things seem to have got worse over the last year or so. "In stock" used to mean "In stock" not "As soon as we've taken your order we;ll change the order to "Temporarily out of stock" and then leave you waiting for weeks. Amazon are the worst, especially with pre-orders.

The biggest problem I have with online ordering is the delivery companies who are ALL rubbish. You wait 2 weeks for an item and the company claims they "attempted" delivery 4 times and left a card when you'd stayed in all day and they hadn't - the driver just figured he'd fake it.  You rearrange delivery for a specific day and they don't show up, with no explanation ever given and the online ticketing just mysteriously showing no update. etc etc etc. It all just adds too much stress and way too much time off (or staying in at home) so much so that I'm actually moving to the alternative model of picking up stuff myself from bricks and mortar stores where I can have some control over WHEN I get the wretched goods, even if it costs more money.

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FX: Shudders

Their idea of globalised data and what they returned via their web service based on a country's culture was a joy to behold (not!)

Sometimes they'd store/return numeric data based on the correct culture format, sometimes they wouldn't, and sometimes it would vary depending on the data within a single country.


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jamie wrote:
Id use it.

tired of posting less than positive things in CH

..or it could be named like Tech Off... only a bit different...


then coffeehouse could be mainly upbeat/happy and if your in a bad mood..ahem...you go to The Vent to let off some steam...



You've just read my rant in response to the latest video on MIX08 haven't you?! Wink

Sounds like a good idea, the trouble is I'd spend all my time over there and this place might become quite a lot quieter!

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Just discovered (via your forums) the excellent "beta" tutorials for Zam 3D at http://learnexpressionstudio.com as part of the ExpressTrain video series. This is good stuff for 3D novices like me, especially since there seems to be so little information on Electric Rain's own site, and a very nice example of a good WPF application with "Click Once" deployment. 

This looks like an essential resource for anybody working with the Expression/Electric Rain products although of course a lot depends on what the final subscription model turns out to be once it's out of beta.

I'm going to have a play with the trial version of Swift 3D before ordering ZAM 3D since it seems to offer an additional discount on ZAM 3D if ordered beforehand.  What are the plans for getting a trial version of ZAM 3D and Electric Rain's own tutorials up and running?

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Doesn't Blend allow you to export Silverlight XAML? If that's the case why would SWIFT be needed in addition to ZAM 3D when you could just export ZAM 3D to Blend and from there export to Silverlight XAML?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the recently posted (earlier today) koolaid C9 video on MIX08 where we're told things are so much easier now that Visual Studio 2008 is out, and I'm afraid I've gone and had a bit of a rant in response because the whole situation is madness: Let me see now... you need four Expression products and VS 2008 to get the best out of web site development with XAML and this apparently is simpler. Oh, but if you want 3D you need to buy third party products like those from Electric Rain - and ideally one for Silverlight, one for full WPF?  How is this in any shape, size or fashion making life "much simpler" for developers (don't even get me started on bringing AJAX into the equation). Clearly Microsoft folks are on a different planet from the one I'm inhabiting! Just trying to get anyone to explain the differences between all these products, why they're needed and how they fit into workflow at the most basic level is like trying to catch moonlight in a bucket!

ZAM 3D is a nice product and with the discounts on offer if ordered before the end of the year I'm tempted to go for it, but if I then have to buy another product for Silverlight it's all getting way too messy (and way too expensive) too fast.

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