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  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    @bondsbw:

    Since you are not doing the work. I will do it for you without the limited grid like snap in Win Metro.

    1) Move your window with thick borders like Win95/98/ME/XP/Vista/7/8.

    2) touch two vertical borders.

    3) hover on the border, a super thick binder border will fade in quickly with a ring holes on both sides.

    4) click on the either binder ring hole will now group the window as one. It will move together and when you resize the touching border, it will expand and shrink on the other side.

    5) if you touch two vertical borders, and you aligned top border, you automatically match your top position and window height. (three rings holes on each sides will appear, one at touching border like #3 and another two are above and below #3, these bind both directions.)

    6) if you touch two horizontal borders, and you aligned left border, you automatically match your left position and window width. (three rings holes on each sides will appear, one at touching border like #3 and another two are left and right of #3, these bind both directions.)

    7) You can unbind by removing the binder ring.

    This is far far far more flexible, just like PowerPoint. And a thick border still make windows separate nicely. And this does not limited to a grid. You can effectively snap by columns (by only doing 1~4 and no 5/6) and have free form in each column.

    And I doubt your idea would top this.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    , bondsbw wrote

    *snip*

    Windows doesn't do what I want today, and sorry but I don't have the time to photoshop what I'd like to see.  Imagine Metro Snap but with more arbitrary splitting, and adding in vertical splitting, and you'll have a better idea of what I mean.

    *snip*

    Sure, of course there needs to be a UI element for resizing, even in a tiling window manager.  But consider Metro Snap, where two side-by-side windows share a resize border.  I like this a lot.  One of the reasons I rarely use Aero Snap is because I will inevitably need to resize one window, and then the other to match.  It's that second resize that hurts productivity, and trying to line it up to be close to pixel perfect makes the entire sequence of actions to simulate Metro Snap take about 3-4 times as long.

    But there is no reason apps participating in Metro Snap would additionally need their own borders.  There is plenty of visual separation in Metro Snap.  And there's no need for extra resize borders in Metro Snap... just like there's no need for resize borders in maximized apps.  Come to think, I don't believe a version of Windows ever existed where maximized apps displayed window borders.

    *snip*

    Chrome serves multiple purposes:

    1. To distinguish separate interactive elements.  This is the most legitimate reason for chrome in my opinion.
    2. To distinguish separate non-interactive elements.  This can be useful, although there may be other ways to accomplish this goal (e.g. Metro with the use of typography).
    3. Skeuomorphism.

    #1 and #2 are legit in my mind.  #3, well, I find that "dummies" (to use your phrase) are actually the ones who need skeuomorphic crutch when using a computer.  I don't need an app to look like a physical notebook in order to figure out that it's used for taking notes.

    (But before I get trolled on this... I'm not saying all skeuomorphism is bad or wrong. I'll say it yet again:  the traditional desktop overlapping-window environment is already a skeuomorph by utilizing 3D-like z ordering, so adding shadows or other elements to clarify that skeuomorph makes sense.)

    I mentioned this on another thread... most people with the amount of experience you repeatedly claim, I find they consider text-based interfaces (about as un-skeuomorphic as they come) are the only true way to use a computer.  Unless your desire for skeuomorphism resembles my parenthetical paragraph above, I would consider you the oddity.

    *snip*

    That's not skeuomorphism.  HoloLens has 3D elements in a 3D environment; skeuomorphism would be the use of 3D-styled elements on a 2D surface.



    1) you seriously need to do PhotoShop. Or draw with crayons and scan it or take a photo with your camera. Because no, I don't know what your are trying to propose.

    2) why are you talking to me about skeu-whatever? Because I sure don't know what it is and I sure wasn't in that discussion.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    @NoelCarboni:

    You know the interesting part is. You can remove the chrome in WPF easily. And no BI app ever dare to do that. And Google Chrome and FF can do that as well, and that's not done. Same of all Java Apps, they still have thick border.

    The only app that I can recall without thick border is Zune, which is officially dead long ago.

    It is going back to the same circle. Why MS does this????? Doing this is NOT revolutionary. And yet, has high risk of poor user reactions. So why????

    Hell, look at HoloLense, it is completely opposite of flat. The buttons are 3D looking.

    Anyway, I am tired of asserting common sense. And I doubt people will keep Win7 any longer, and MS is counting on that to show you thin border drive sales.

    So far, just hope HoloLense come out and we can leave this all behind.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    @bondsbw:

    Hmmmmm..... Wuuuut........ I cannot believe it. You need to make screenshot with Windows Explore and Skype and Email and Calendar.

    And you give me a demo when I open them (multiple Explores) one by one and show me how it transitions.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    @NoelCarboni:

    I don't like thin border. It makes identification of Maximizes and Fullscreen harder.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    , kettch wrote

    *snip*

    The clickable area is the same for both the thin and thick borders. 

    Just confirmed it. Yeah, the area is fine now. As far as visual pleasantry, I will leave that to sales number.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    , kettch wrote

    *snip*

    The clickable area is the same for both the thin and thick borders. 



    Not to my experience. My mouse flickers because I couldn't hit the damn border. But, I will double check tomorrow on my computer to see if this has been fixed or not.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    Without thick chrome. It is hard to resize modern apps. Useless.

  • Do you find the Win 10 build 10122 "Hoth" theme to your liking?

    @NoelCarboni:

    Nice screenshot. I was thinking a red button to make it colorful as before. Now, based on your screenshot, I noticed I can see active window easily because the Red pops.

    I think MS is trying to make active window hidden. Because the active windows is only useful for keyboard users. The mouse user isn't too concerned. Mostly it is for closing the nasty popup messages.

    Anyway, I don't like thin border as the core. Those talks is not important to me when I have a hard time resizing the thin borders.

  • Windows 10 is the final Windows

    , NoelCarboni wrote

    Makes sense.  For a while I've been thinking the next version might be called...

    ...wait for it...

    "Window"  :)

    In all seriousness, I sure hope Microsoft realizes how much pressure this puts on Windows Update to be right.  Really, really right.

    -Noel


    I am pretty sure it will be broken. You complaints on this forum. This forum will dismiss you. Microsoft will dismiss you. And after 12 months debating the same issue on this thread, Microsoft will finally collect enough telemetry and sales figure and decided you are correct all along. Then, it will take them at least 6 months to fix it.

    In short, it will take them a year to acknowledge the problem and another 6 months to fix it. Prepare to make repeated complaints for 18 months on here.