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warren wrote:



ChrisA wrote: Is Microsoft going to supply BASH, TCSH or any type of unix type shells? Where is a list of command line commands for core server? cmd.exe is a weak shell and unless enough cli tools are provided to make this thing really useful

Windows isn't as shell-centric as Unix is.

Philosophically, you don't generally pass around bits of data between multiple programs in Windows.  Instead, you write script in VBScript, JScript, etc. and have cscript (or wscript) execute it.  You get contructs and tools (string manipulation, file I/O, logging, etc.) which are more or less equivalent to what you'll get from the GNU set of tools, as well as access to a lot of neat information and functionality that the OS provides, through WMI and COM.

Microsoft has already been providing piles of Unix command-line tools for years, including tcsh and ksh.  More info here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/interopmigration/unix/sfu/migun2wi.mspx

Whether or not this stuff will be installable as part of Server Core is something MS will need to clarify someday.

That is a pretty funny comment, Warren, especially considering the fact that Core ONLY has a CLI. I call that very shell centric - no, shell dependent!

I think you should change your comment to "Windows WASN'T as shell-centric as Unix is", because that lame excuse for a CLI, CMD.exe, has been replaced by PowerShell (well, it is out there and rapidly gaining mindshare and raising HUGE expectations for the future of the windows CLI and windows automation).

God help the server team if they don't implement PowerShell, in all it's glory, on the future windows server platform (as I understand it, Core IS Longhorn Server, the next replacement for Windows Server 2003 R2).

If there is one server that needs a great CLI, it's Core.

EDIT:  Of course, I assumed (somewhat incorrectly, from what I can gather) that Core is the only way that all Longhorn servers start their life. Perhaps Microsoft can be a little more informative of the targeted nature of the Core's role, which now seems to be highly security focused, and contrast that to the rest of the Longhorn family, which WILL most likely run the CLR "by default".

That said, it would make sense to include the CLR and PowerShell as options for Core, for those that would run Core in their normal environments because they don't need a UI.

Guys, these are great questions. Can you also go to Kim's blog site and post them there. I am sure he would like to hear them and respond.

http://wwww.identityblog.com/

I could imagine this device doing very well in the teaching/studies world, where you can enter and view notes and ebooks, as well as video and sound.

I think it would be fantastic in the enterprise where you have web applications running over secure wireless networks. Hospitals, conventions, sales yards, support personnel, etc.

If the Vista speech capture capabilities are as good as they sound, this device could capture voice to text very nicely. If the handwriting recognition is excellent then there is a great alternative to typing. Although, my writing is pretty slack, so this would require me to write better...

Not really a device for word documents. Notes, web forms, speech, video, reading, communication and presence information would be fantastic.


Definately a lot smaller than a tablet PC or even ultralight laptop.

Duh, guys. I think the video was about the concepts and the details don't matter.

The funny thing for me was the style of production. It was done like the kind of 'educational' clips you might see on early morning TV, like at 3 AM, LOL. Hilarious and difficult to take seriously unless you know about the reality of what they were trying to convey.

That was a fantastic interview, although generally I always enjoy Robert's interviews - he is so animated and communicates enthusiasm so well with others.

The *Nix guys have always in the past criticised the networking technology in Windows and clearly this new work is going to give them good reason to reconsider. It will be interesting to see the third party verifications of the many changes to networking.

I am truely astounded about the number of milestones being set, across the board, in the Vista technology timeframe and see it all as a real coming of age for Microsoft.

This team seems like a great bunch of guys who are really focused on both the developer side of things and the IT pro side of things and also the general users. Great to see such a broad consideration. Fantastic.

Great interview, very inspiring.

Another one with Lisa would be excellent. I think the high level stuff was very orienting and think she could have easily talked for another half an hour, perhaps expanding on things and going into some more detail on specific scenarios.

Expanding on the people in the HR team(s) would also be fantastic, talking about the personalities you look for in HR people and what kind of traits in HR staff you desire, and also what qualities really work for people in HR. Of course, it is very early days yet and the material for such discussions must occur over time and through experience.

Thanks again guys.

I have one question about the two teams, the incubation team and the production team:  do you rotate people from the production team through the incubation team?

Minh, that's a very good point. In fact, this is one of THE main questions people keep asking of Microsoft.

Will Vista be the first Microsoft OS, where Microsoft says to its customers, "no longer can we chop and change things in our OS to suit specific products or development methods. From now on you will all need to pay close attention on how to write your apps for Vista, otherwise they will not work". Or something similar.

How is Microsoft going to force developers to adhere to using secure interfaces into the OS?


I just came off /.
They love Microsoft there. However, there is some hint of truth in amongst all the sledging and trolling. Microsoft has a sorded history and I think the Vista timeframe is gonna be fairly critical in proving these trolls wrong and really giving people faith that their PC will help them with security. I hope Vista will prove them wrong.

It sounds like the soundscape for Blade Runner, lol.

Granted that it is hard to tell what the final samples will be like and difficult to determine the actual sounds because of the poor quality of the camera microphone.

I just want some Star Trek Enterprise (like) sounds. Those were really cool and unobtrusive.

And I agree, the sound of the Mac starting up is perfect in its length and simplicity. I would laugh at the Windows 2000 startup sound because it sounded just like snipet from a theme to a TV soap.

While Fripp may be a very talented engineer and musician, he is under some very different contraints compared to creatively producing music. He is effectively a session musician in that studio and under "orders" to produce to specific expectations.

All we can say is "we will see".

I would say that he is also going to produce sounds for a Silver theme and probably the Black theme.

Also, don't forget that we only heard 25 minutes of sound capture "while he was being interrupted". I would say that the end result will actually sound quite different, particularly due to the fact that we heard continuous "music" and not the extracted and isolated samples.

RiddickRom, I like your idea. There are many sites that host files for free. I would really like to hear your sounds and possibly use them.