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Vesuvius vesuvius Count Orlock
  • I downgraded to Vista

    Sven Groot said:
    vesuvius said:

    Yes they are, it's the other two options in the "Taskbar buttons" dropdown.

    EDIT: "Combine when full", combined with "Use small icons" ends up looking like this:

    Two instances of Visual Studio, as you specified. Not so different from Vista, but you still get larger previews, jump lists, Aero peek, etc.
    Ahh... I see! All that's left is to bring back quick launch back where it belongs.

    I am quite pleased that this option is available, because, hitherto, I do not see the new Windows 7 task bar making me more productive, or making my life easier. I have learnt to use the Vista explorer now, but an up folder like XP was and is still far easier to use. The task bar is like a keyboard for me, and changing it serves no purpose.

    In the image above you have shown, it's not just the ease of flicking from one Visual Studio instance to the other, it's the fact that I know I have two instances running, without having to perform any hovering at all, how simple is that? After a while using Windows 7 your task bar becomes unwieldy because you don't know how many instances of anything are running without a hover, hover, hover. when an necessary bother?

    Really, the more I write about this, the more I am perplexed that most of you guys find this hovering malarkey more enjoyable and useful than something as simple as this. The task bar hovering is limited to two instances of IE for example, and about 20 tabs. In my vista task bar I can open up far much more, but I know not to anyway. When I open up an instance of IE, each tab has an explanation of what the page contains so I know which page I need to go to, without any hovering.

     The Windows 7 task bar team have fixed a problem that did not exist, and hence did not need fixing.

  • VS2010 to use toolbars?

    Ion Todirel said:
    vesuvius said:
    What would be the point?

    You cannot click on F5 or access any toolbar buttons win a collapsed ribbon (Step into, Step out etc) like you can in the Outlook image above.

    In the Outlook tool bar above, you have something analogous functionally to Visual Studio i.e. a handful of frequently used commands i.e. debug, step into etc.

    You would end up with the catastrophe that is the Windows 7 taskbar where you are adding more "mouse clicks" and "mouse hovers" rather than reducing them.

  • I downgraded to Vista

    Sven Groot said:
    vesuvius said:
    So, set the taskbar to "Combine when taskbar is full" or "Never combine" and it behaves pretty much exactly like Vista does.

    And again, you don't need to click on the taskbar button to get the previews, just hovering will do.
    It is too late now, as I am back to Vista SP1 where things work.

    The options you suggest are not in the task bar properties

    Hence are not easily discoverable. You get the feeling that (at present) the design team want everybody to use their new system, and by setting these options, then their work has gone to waste - which it has, because they have fixed a problem that did not need fixing.

    If you decide to redesign a keyboard, that is pretty much more than audacious, it is courageous, and in business, this is something you always want to be conservative about if not avoid.

    Channel 9 is not representative of your typical windows user, and sometimes peoples enthusiasm is a smokescreen for problems further down the road. Most Windows 7 beta testers are developers or enthusiasts, consequently are the least likely to complain, they like new things for the sake of being new (not all of them mind).

    Yes the glass is clearer, and you have fingerprint detection, the control of the background services stuff is cool but I am quite happy where I am (for now).

  • I downgraded to Vista

    Sven Groot said:

    Where's that extra click coming from? You can just hover on the buttons to get the window previews.

    For the graphics thing, you could try installing the Vista drivers instead. I did for my laptop (nVidia card) because of unbearable screen corruption issues with the beta drivers, and it works a charm.

    Whilst doing this tutorial yesterday my XAML was a little suspect, so I opened up the code sample, and had two instances of Visual Studio running. I needed to easily flick from one instance to the other so I could compare the code (not just copy and paste it - I needed to know what I had done wrong)

    It turns out the Windows 7 taskbar has doubled my work here, and I need to click on the Visual Studio icon, then hover over the instance I need and then select it. In Vista and previous, I just click the instance in the taskbar and the Show() for that form is invoked. God I really do not like the new taskbar. In some cases you save keystrokes, in others it doubles them, so no you have not done a completely amazing job with this new feature. You certainly need to allow for a user to decide to have 2 instances of a program running the the taskbar if they should so choose.

    You have assumed that all users are foolish, and open up x amounts of their web browser and do not know how many pages or processes they are running. You are wrong here, most people can control their processes and you have fixed a problem that did not need fixing, and you are now trying to persuade everybody that there was a huge problem in the task bar - it has worked fine for the last 15 years.

    I have also found windows media player to be useless, freezing my videos frequently, and I cannot even play a few mp3's without having to restart my computer. I don't know why you did not releases this like Internet Explorer so you could have the Vista people testing it as well, more polish and reliability here please.

    I have a video presentation I needed to send to a business to be viewed by senior management. Nero 9 (the trial) blue screened at least once each time I tried to burn a CD, but the biggest issue was that I did not know whether the presentation would be viewable as it had been burned on beta software. I simply had to eradicate this doubt hence Vista is now back on the main machine.

    I am a blogger and found that my favourite code snippet inserter did not work as the formatting is all wrong. It worked out OK though, because I now post the code as pure HTML. That is an excellent Visual Studio add in.

    I also have a very popular article on my blog that I just could not get to work. When you are writing stuff for your blog, you need to be at least sure that "it works on my machine". I have gone back to Vista because I need predictable and stable software more that I had ever realised. The code that did not work (i.e. WCF) worked straight away in Vista.

    The upshot is that the Win 7 beta says "for testing purposes only", even though it had been touted at pretty stable. I also feel a little ambivalent about testing software for someone that I am ultimately going to have to fork out a lot of money for. You win because I point out all the bugs and I am a pretty good and thorough tester, what do I get in return? At times I do actually end up spending quite a lot of time researching bugs etc. but loathe the fact that I don't even get a free license for all my efforts, so I probably will not be testing any major software products from Microsoft in the future because of this. You are in the business of making money from high quality software, why should I work for you for free?

    I know I may come across as sounding anti-Microsoft at times though I am not, but I am a paying customer at the end of the day, why you expect that I should work for you like an automaton leaves me dumbfounded? I know a number of niners are fanbois with aspirations for working for the mother ship, and given the opportunity I probably would take up the offer, but my bread and butter is in no way financed by Microsoft, so I can afford to take the stance I do. I already spend pretty much all my life working on software that supports your operating systems, server technologies, programming languages et al

    Eeven more that I should complain about things like the taskbar that I detest. You have fixed a problem, that did not need fixing.

  • VS2010 to use toolbars?

    Ion Todirel said:
    vesuvius said:
    I'm not so sure about it taking so much space, minimized it could take less than a row of toolbars + main menu, of the current implementation together
    On a 19'' wide-screen monitor, with a Ribbon and Windows 7 Task bar, you have considerably less space. This for instance is why you don't have it in the front page of Outlook 2007, but is available in your Text editor for Email, Appointments, Tasks etc.

  • I downgraded to Vista

    I have done exactly the same.

     I wrote the post here on 9, but was in two minds whether to post it and saved it in notepad. I will post it later, when I have access to it.

  • Hotmail? Worst webmail ever...

    Surely everybody is now using live essentials? Failing that, there there is the Outlook Connector as well.

    I scarcely ever use a web browser to access my mail, especially as I detest adverts.

  • Remember when...?

    The significant vector in this argument is that of quality. At all stages hitherto, all the media devices in the aforeattached sketch offered music or film in a vastly reduced quality and state, i.e

    Radio = white noise and aerials
    TV = white noise and aerials
    cassette tapes = hissed and wore out
    video = hissed and wore out

    Clearly the rules of the game are and have been changing since the availability of public broadband, and mass storage devices. I have more memory in my phone, than in my computer a decade ago.

    The entertainment industry was caught fast asleep, still making $$$$$ and £££££ from deficient technology. Had they grasped that people wanted to have their music and film on devices wherever they went they would have invested in technology. As it is Apple demonstrated just what a deep sleep the entertainment have been in, and are still attempting to awaken from, and are trying to bolt the stable door, after the horse has bolted.

  • VS2010 to use toolbars?

    Rico Mariani answered this question here.

    The ribbon was created to allow a user to have access to a lot of commands at any given moment. In Visual Studio the commands you use the most are F5 and the debugging options, so a ribbon is overkill and takes up too much space.

    You also don't edit your code like a word document, as int for example is already formatted, and /// gives you your XML comments all nicely formatted in green.

    I keep sounding like a broken record, but if you really want to know why the ribbon was procured, then watch The Story Of The Ribbon.

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