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  • No more need for developers (that means you)

    A company has built a platform that can build complex apps in under 24 hours. It is probably using Cordova/Phone gap and doesn't use templates, but you get an app that runs on all five platforms, with the development environment available to test here

    Best of all, everything is drag and drop with no programming involved, should we be concerned about this company?

  • They might have well said...

    , bondsbw wrote

    I could say that you are hating on Microsoft.  Is that the truth?  If not, when you make your assertions, are you attacking or are you just explaining?

    I make a living developing on the Microsoft stack so definitely not a hater. In this day of frameworks lasting a few years, I need to feel confident that I won't be a Nokia developer. Those guys thought they had a job for life at one stage, and must have worked hard on the programming tools Nokia used.

    I realise that change is the only constant and in development, you have to retrain or acquire new skills every 7 years or so, but I feel the reasons that made people choose Microsoft in the past are fading, and nobody at Microsoft seems to care, because we spend most of our time discussing political decisions at Microsoft 99% of the time now here in the forum (why did they kill this technology, why have these eminent people left Microsoft for Google/Amazon etc, why are they no longer pouring resources into xyz) rather than the new features that empower you as a developer, that really is the truth of it.

  • They might have well said...

    , bondsbw wrote

     Anyone who thought that Microsoft completely abandoned the enterprise, in favor of doing nothing but tablets and phones, is an idiot.

    Since Microsoft didn't focus on the enterprise in Windows 8, that leaves only one reasonable conclusion:  Microsoft was coming back to focus on the enterprise after Windows 8.

    Why is this so hard?

    Without wishing to get caught up in the flame, the enterprise world is full of meetings, planning, budgets and so forth, with no room for conclusions or assumptions. Microsoft always did very well in communicating with their partners, but have now gone for a "silent" model and does everything behind closed doors.

    I will be working on an integration project that ends up on Android devices in the next month or so, that would have been a windows mobile application (in fact it replaces a Windows mobile solution), and can foresee another couple of our development pieces going to non-Microsoft technologies because Microsoft have made a calamitous mistake in not keeping interest and focus in the enterprise.

    In some respects Microsoft function like a stereotypical male i.e. only able to concentrate on building one thing, when investment should have been concurrently made in both Enterprise and Consumer markets, this was a serious failing and one where Microsoft are paying the price.

    You only have to look at job sites (my barometer of the market and its interest) to see the rise in non Microsoft technologies being used (and this is the important point) instead of Windows based options.

    The business world hasn't decided to wait until Microsoft decided to pay attention to them which is what you seem to be implying, they have simply moved on to non Microsoft stacks.

  • OMG!!!! MS ROX!!! ...​seriously.

    , RealBboy360 wrote

     The CEO shouldn't be designing the product anyway.

    Two words for you. Steve Jobs.

    Tim Cook also said of Windows 8 "You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator," but it won't please anyone. Microsoft completely ignored this comment, but that is what Windows 10 is all about.

    In Scientific, Engineering and Medical industries, the people at the top usually all have PhD's or the relevant experience, rather than companies that have a Simon Cowell CEO where it is all "smoke and mirrors" designer suits and teeth whitening every 3 months

  • Channel 9 officially dead?

     @Bas:Gone are the days where Microsoft poured a lot into the developer ecosystem. Functionality like the sync framework (Azure), Hadoop, HDInsight, Notification Hubs and so on would have been baked into Windows Server or .NET, so there is far less to shout about, and if WindowsRT is dead, anyone working in the DPE knows its not worth engaging with customers, when you only pull the rug from beneath their feet in 12 months time.

    Microsoft will continue to change and focus on devices and services working a lot like IBM, and not the Microsoft we know and love, how long developers continue to invest in Windows, remains to be seen, we could all be PhoneGap developers in 5 years time, that's a real possibility.

  • It's called...

    , Sven Groot wrote

    I can't help but feel this is some kind of insult to Channel 9. :P


    7 of 9 ;)







  • It's called...

    wastingtimewithforums, where are you?

  • My local school goes into Lock Down

    Seeing as the Ryder Cup is on, this is a Golf Course where wayward tee-shots may cost you your life http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bear-plays-canadian-golf-article-1.1936345

    I hope the RSPCA is called in soon and all ends well. The problem is humans go querulously to the animal, are maimed or killed then they destroy the poor beast. The poor thing is just going about its business, leave it alone.

  • Tell me why I should use web framework X?

    @sysrpl: If you are not using MVC for web applications (Windows developer) then the word that I learnt from you guys over the pond is that you are a "dumbass"

    I have written five MVC websites, if I go work elsewhere and they built the websites using MVC then I will be productive in two minutes. Likewise I have had no problem finding developers that could help me achieve both mine and my bosses commercial objectives.

    You need deep pockets or a huge open source development base (and decades) to produce a design that is compositional, and clean and plain nice to code against

    I know you are a hugely talented developer that produces immersive and attractive applications, but ideas are far easier than raising the capital or open source devotion that is required to see this through.

  • C9 same design for years?

    , MasterPi wrote 

    Also, thread count...could bring it back

    I can see some niners doing a double facepalm and muttering "not that one again!"