5 hours ago, evildictait​or wrote

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This isn't about ads, or users, or downloads or YouTube. It's a big game of chess being played by lawyers, where sadly users are being treated as pawns on all sides.

This is mostly accurate. The one nuance I'd point out, however, is that users are benefiting from Microsoft's manipulations, while they are being hurt by Google's. Doesn't make Microsoft an angel or savior, but it does make them smarter. Google is jeopardizing their customer base. I was a heavy Google user. I used Google products as much as I used Microsoft products. Recent actions they've taken, however, has drastically reduced how much I use Google. Within a year, I may be Google free. I've got to assume there's plenty of others like me, and if Google continues there's likely to be plenty more in the future.

13 hours ago, fanbaby wrote

This reminds me of the Silverlight saga in the following sense:

SL fans were busy FUDing the entire world including Microsoft instead of just pleading with Microsoft to truly open dotnet/Silverlight.

Its the same here. Instead of pleading with Microsoft to stop suing linux/android, which i have a feeling will solve this issue, WP users are busy tarnishing Google. Good luck with that.

I know you're trolling, but you have to do a better job. Comparing SL to this case is apples and bicycles. Microsoft supported the Moonlight effort, and .NET has always been an open standard. So, where are the similarities?

2 minutes ago, wastingtime​withforums wrote

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And what have you said?

"We know how many people use the previous versions, and their numbers were calculated the same way"

Yes, but that MS calculations were ALSO BACKED UP BY EVERYONE ELSE! The PC retail sector didn't scream bloody murder and the OS stats jived with Microsoft's license calculations. Not this time.

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So everyone except Microsoft.

"Fanboi"-insult coming from you is rich.

What I said was the numbers were nuanced, and they are. They aren't as high as Microsoft wanted, but they also aren't low enough to prove failure. You keep screaming failure, but the numbers (even the ones you try to use to prove your point) don't bear that out. It's not a clear success, but it's also far (far) from a failure.

If you think I used "fanboi" to insult you, boy are you deluded . In any case, I'm not a fanbois. If I were, I'd be screaming about how great things are, which I've never done. If you think I have, it says more about your own biases than it does about mine.

3 minutes ago, wastingtime​withforums wrote

Doesn't compute! Everyone is lying except MS? Sure buddy.

The explanations in the quoted article make much more sense.

Nah, the only ones lying are the pundits, fanbois and haters, such as yourself.

Please apply some analytical thought and reread what I said, because nothing you just ranted on about is relevant to anything I actually said.

2 hours ago, spivonious wrote

I think rapid updates are to be expected. Isn't MS going to a more agile release cycle? I wouldn't expect VS2013 to be much different than VS2012. More like VS2012 Update 3.

VS is already getting rapid update cycles. That's what the various "update" releases are. These aren't simple service packs. You see a VS2013 product name simply because VS has always delivered with OS releases, and evidently "Blue" is being considered a big enough release to warrant the release of a new VS (more than likely there's new SDKs in Blue). None of this should be surprising to anyone here.

10 hours ago, elmer wrote

Of course, sales to OEMs doesn't tell you about end-user purchases, or how (if) they are being used or downgraded, but that's a separate issue.

This argument always annoys the crap out of me. It's made every single time, which is why it's pointless. We know how many people use the previous versions, and their numbers were calculated the same way, so it doesn't matter in any way how many are sold to OEMs or end users.

In any case, the numbers may not be as high as some would like, but even though they'll try, the naysayers can't really claim this proves them right. Windows 8 is certainly successful by some measure, and can't in any way be claimed to be a "total failure". That's not to say there isn't still lots of room for improvement and a very steep uphill battle for Microsoft to overcome still. As Paul Thurrott said, this is a very nuanced topic that can (and should be) read in a number of ways, and we won't know the real picture for some time to come (possibly years).

Sharing binaries seemed like a good idea in the 90s, but I think we're mostly in agreement that XCopy is the way to go today.

As a user, you'd care, but the answer is the same as with any temporary file: "Files stored in the folder can be removed at any time by system or by user via Disk Cleanup."

That said, I'd be very curious why Couchbase has this requirement, because they could do the same thing externally, which would be safer (classes can't lie).

"In situations where both the OEM and ODM has a deal with Microsoft, they'll work out between themselves who pays the license fee."

And the conspiracy theory like spin that this must be a symbolic gesture is void of any thought. No matter how you spin this, Microsoft now gets paid royalties on Android devices Foxconn makes, while everything else about their relationship remains the same. Both parties have said money is flowing in one direction here... to Microsoft.

A discussion about the patent situation and how the patent system is broken is something I could have gone with, but this post is pointless.

I honestly didn't think this thread was yet another "they moved my cheese" post. If it's that, I bow out now, as that rhetoric is growing tiresome.

http://video.ch9.ms/sessions/mms/2013/UD-B326_Agerlund.pptx

Not sure why there's a difference, but in your case you don't have to download anything again, just rename the UD_B326_Agerlund.zip to UD_B326_Agerlund.pptx and it will open in PowerPoint.

Far more likely, the prices are dropping (and like DBV says, not just for RT devices but Pro devices as well) because OEMs are making room for the new line of devices we expect to hit the streets in June. It's pretty normal for OEMs to reduce inventory 3-4 months out from new product launches, and we've got less time than that now. Frankly, RT may die quickly not because it's selling bad (which it is) but because the next line of Pro products will out perform the RT devices in both performance and battery life while running full Windows.

It's still too early to call the ecosystem a failure, though. OEMs aren't backing out of the Windows 8/RT game just yet.

1 hour ago, Bas wrote

To me, the whole situation sounds a lot like two immature whingebags fighting their own little war. What with Anonymous and now this, why does the internet seem like it's ruled by angry 15 year olds?

You mean it's not?