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William Kempf wkempf
  • The Windows Desktop is dead

    Microsoft demoed windowed metro apps at //Build, so I'd say it's a bit more than rumor.

  • The Windows Desktop is dead

     "There is no middle ground between devices that have the Modern UI and devices that have the desktop. You either have the desktop or you have the Modern UI, you cannot have both. As reported around a month ago, the Start Menu for desktop users in Windows Threshold can 'act' like a full screen Start Menu however, meaning if you want that functionality you can have it on the desktop. This will be helpful for devices like the Surface Pro 3."

    Hugely stupid. It may make sense to remove the start screen for obviously desktop devices (though I do know a number of non-techie people who like the start screen on desktop computers). However, for hybrid devices it makes no sense to not support both. Full screen or not, a start menu desktop approach would stink when using a Surface Pro as a tablet/consumption device. I use my Pro for both scenarios, and appreciate Win8 as it is today for enabling me to efficiently do either. Make a hard distinction in the OS here will kill hybrid devices like the Surface Pro.

  • I dont find the App store that bad what about the rest of the Niners Community

    I'm not trying to make excuses, because it is bad and there is a bunch of crap and worse that I wish Microsoft would weed out before ever accepting into the store, but, the article is also very slanted.

    The very first thing they complain about is a search for VLC. I do the same in the Google Play Store and I get roughly 250 hits. Granted, some are only remotely related to VLC, but plenty of them are VLC apps. While most are free, there's definitely some you have to pay for. There's plenty of hits for Firefox as well, though I don't see any that charge you, and obviously none of them will be glorified desktop installers. 7-zip had tons of hits, including pay for apps. None of them will install desktop versions or include bloatware (I assume this claim means the app had to install a desktop application). That would be something unique to this platform, and is bad. That sort of thing absolutely has to be eliminated from the store. But there's claims (I've not substantiated) that the other stores suffer from similar issues such as malware apps.

    I want a clean store. And it would be nice if Microsoft could do a better job than the others. But, claims that they are doing worse seem either unprovable or at least questionable to me. More importantly, the actual differences seem to be minor... all the stores are bad.

  • What is the future for Microsoft C++ UI technology?

    @kettch: Can you link any of these sites? I've not run across this rumor and I'd love to read about it. A quick search doesn't find anything for me.

  • What is the future for Microsoft C++ UI technology?

    Having 4 dialects of Xaml (WPF, Silverlight, Silverlight for Phone and WinRT), just on the UI side (Xaml is also used for other things), is crazy. What's crazier is the newer the dialect, the fewer features. We're going backwards. Fast. So, if we do unify, I hope we do so intelligently. Yeah, there are features, like triggers, that have simpler/better replacements, like VisualStateManager. I can live with "losing" those features. But no ICommandSource? No custom markup extensions? No binding validation? I could go on and on. :(

  • What is the future for Microsoft C++ UI technology?

    , eduquint wrote

    During Build 2014, I have addressed this question to the C++ panel. However, alas, no promising answer was given to me.

    It would be really nice if Microsoft developed a rich UI framework for C++ to be used for desktop apps, and made it part of Visual Studio.

    There are third party ones available, but them all lack the Microsoft quality. Also, as they are supposed to be IDE agnostic, they lack Windows specificity, making them too generic.

    For store apps, it is possible to use WPF, which is a managed framework.

    It would be a very good strategy for Microsoft to promote C++ development, if they wrote a decent UI framework. Let us be sincere, it should not be that difficult for them.

    Minor correction: Windows Store apps are written using WinRT, not WPF, and WinRT is language agnostic, and in fact is mostly written in C++. You can write C++ apps in WinRT for the Windows Store, so Microsoft has in fact written a C++ UI framework. Obviously, though, you want a desktop framework, and that is something they've not done since MFC or WTL.

  • Can't do nested styles in Universal Apps?

    I'm way confused. The title of this thread says "Can't do nested styles in Universal Apps?" Which is true, because that property doesn't exist in WinRT and therefore Universal Apps. But you link to WPF documentation and now claim it works, both of which seem to indicate you're programming in WPF?

  • Can't do nested styles in Universal Apps?

    The MSDN page you're referencing is for WPF. Universal apps are not WPF apps, they are WinRT apps (MSDN). So, this isn't a bug, but is instead just one of the many differences between WinRT and WPF (or Silverlight). As for triggers, those only exist in WPF. They don't exist in either WinRT or Silverlight. The VisualStateManager concept replaces triggers, and was even added to WPF. BTW, Style.Resources is NOT an attached property in WPF.

    Most everything you'd style has a Resources property you could use instead.

    <Style x:Name="foo" TargetType="Button">
       <Setter Property="Resources">
          <Setter.Value>
             <!-- Your resources go here. -->
         </Setter.Value>
       </Setter>
    </Style>

    This isn't a perfect solution... if the element you're applying the style to has specified any resources they will entirely replace any resources you've attempted to add with this technique. The other option: most of the time when you have resources you want to define locally it's for use within a template, and you can put the resources on the root element in that template. The template can still be replaced, but if that's being done then chances are you won't be reusing any of those resources anyway.

    If you show us what you're actually trying to do I can provide a full workaround/solution for you.

  • Lumia Branding

    @Bas: Surface ads have been running nearly non-stop since the first release, and product placements are everywhere. While Surface sales aren't high, I doubt there's many that aren't aware of the brand, and I'd be shocked if Lumia was more well known.

  • Lumia Branding

    The problem is, both brands are fairly strong. Dropping either doesn't make much sense to me. The best suggestion I heard was to use the brands to distinguish between ARM (Lumia) and Intel (Surface). Of course, Microsoft doesn't want you to care about such details, so that's unlikely to happen.

    I do agree, though, that if anything needs branding it's the whole metro/modern/store thingy. I'm not sure that "Lumia apps" works, though, as Lumia is already a very strong brand for hardware not software.