Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 http://media.ch9.ms/ch9/7ca9/2869312b-641f-4ce9-a5d5-9f7c8c367ca9/05WorkingwithParagraphsandText_220.jpg Channel 9 - Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 In this lesson, Bob discusses the various semantic meanings of popular HTML5 inline tags useful for marking up text inside of paragraphs, including b, i, small, em, mark, span, and much more. Download the source code for Working with Paragraphs and Text en Wed, 22 May 2013 05:10:27 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 05:10:27 GMT Rev9 Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Thanks Bob, really useful explanation of differences between older version of HTML elements and the new HTML5. I like a lot that the tags in HTML5 are referring to the actual semantic meaning of the content and the presentation of the content is done from CSS completely.   

posted by gergob

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634797697811636974 Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:23:01 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634797697811636974 gergob Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 posted by pipo

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634798818500716286 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:30:50 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634798818500716286 pipo Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @pipo: Hi pipo ... I'm waiting for VS2012 to drop.  No need recording videos in 2010 or 2012 beta when the full version will drop in about 10 days. Here's hoping that you felt like what little I charge was well worth the 150+ hours I provide.  If not, I'm really sorry and I would be happy to refund.  Contact me on that site and submit a ticket and we'll go from there.  Best wishes!

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634799853904186186 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 01:16:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634799853904186186 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Great intro Bob - as usual clear and concise. Just one comment - the anchor tag's name attribute is obsolete in HTML5, but you can instead link to any tag with an id attribute. In this case, put id="bottom" on the h1 element. This is in keeping with the semantic aims of HTML5 - a named anchor tag is an artificial element which adds no additional meaning to the document.

posted by grahama

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634800429062213062 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:15:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634800429062213062 grahama Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @grahama: You are absolutely correct.  Thank you for the correction.  It is a challenge keeping up with what's in and what's out. For those catching up to this conversation, check this out:

http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/a.html#a-examples

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634800675919138311 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:06:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634800675919138311 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 posted by Rafael Oliveira

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634837243191871452 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:51:59 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634837243191871452 Rafael Oliveira Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 I'm enjoying the tutorials, the activities do help make the concepts stick and also giving a feeling of achievement. As an absolute beginner lesson 5 has left me a bit confused as to how to use the ID attribute, particulalry with regard to using it as a way to target a specific element for CSS styling. Should I be concerned about this at this stage or will all become clear as we move on through the tutorials and get to the CSS tutorials?

posted by munto

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634837388854562728 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:54:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634837388854562728 munto Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 You'll be glad to know I've worked it out Wink

Cool.........

 

 

posted by munto

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634837634588148823 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:44:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634837634588148823 munto Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 I am an American.
I am sitting in my apartment in China.
I am three months into running my own business.
I am muttling through building my own website now.
All I have ever written is a picture website in HTML years ago.
There is more that I don't know then what I do.
Thanks so much.
Phil

posted by Phil

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634841069170332096 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:08:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634841069170332096 Phil Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Hey Bob,

Your videos are amazingly detailed and are the best beginners videos on  HTML5!!

I know its the best way to code, but then after completing this series, I'll end up hating notepad for sure.

I am also interested in knowing if there will any intermediate or advanced series. (I'll be waiting for it!!)

The other thing that I don't like(because I speak British English) is that you pronounce "often" as AWF-tin!! At first it was a bit odd for me but then its okay. But still sometimes it is comedic for me!!

That's all I have to say!! Keep up the good work!! And thank you so much!!

posted by Ashuu

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634842611302421150 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:58:50 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634842611302421150 Ashuu Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Holy smokes thank you Bob. It really is people like you. Willing to give so freely of themselves and their knowledge that pushes us forward. The legions of people you are empowering thank you. Overdone? maybe. But sincere none the less.

I'm sure ima get smacked in the mouth for this but. My question is...

I can't help but notice that an awful lot of these things do or at least from the viewers point of view appear to do the same as other commands. I know you are all about semantics, but if you are looking at a heavy work load. Wouldn't it be easier just to use a uniform approach to this stuff? Specifically the <cite></cite> appears to simply be italicized print. And, when copying the text in the example for <s></s> it appears on the browser to simply be a strikethrough.

posted by Blaine

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634886543928461240 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:19:52 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634886543928461240 Blaine Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05
It seems to me that all in all the end goal is that the viewer has the most pleasing experience with your page as is possible. And bearing in mind I have exactly 5 lessons with you worth of experience. Wouldn't the simplest approach be to have italics be italics and strikethrough's be strikethrough's and strong be strong? Regardless of how the code looks as long as it is easy for the author to go through and visually satisfying to the viewer?

Realize this is pretty long and its been awhile. But this isn't the first time i have wondered this. And you appear to be <strong>VERY</strong> knowledgeable about it.

Thanks,
Blaine

posted by Blaine

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634886547464789694 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:25:46 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634886547464789694 Blaine Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @Blaine: Hey Blaine, wow ... thanks for the nice words!!!

Frankly, you can do (and many do) exactly what you suggest.  But do you honestly think they would let me teach you the down-and-dirty way on Microsoft's web site?  Wink

Seriously though, if you're learning, why not learn the correct WEB STANDARDS way.  These standards are there to ensure that everyone's experience is the same, regardless of browser vendor, device, etc.  Sure, in IE9 or 10, <cite> may be rendered a particular way, but you can't always depend on its appearance.  Furthermore, this is more than just how things look -- we don't know what's coming tomorrow.  If there's a search engine for <cite>s, don't you want your content to be included in it?  (Bad example, but the idea is -- keep it semantically correct, don't worry about appearance -- that's what CSS is for ... you'll get to that soon!).  If you take shortcuts, you may be limiting yourself, your client, your user in the future.  I would recommend at least taking a stab at doing it "the right way" first.  When you can't achieve something semantically correct then I would give you a little wiggle room to try something different.

Have I converted you yet?  Big Smile

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634887122670162160 Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:24:27 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634887122670162160 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 posted by Blaine

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634887208665743779 Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:47:46 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634887208665743779 Blaine Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 I understand that I can Always choose later how certain tags will look like with CSS, but will semantical tags like <s> for example or <strong> be in any way styled by default (like h1 for e.g.. is already bigger by default).

posted by Lana

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634902471925894169 Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:46:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634902471925894169 Lana Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @Lana: Absolutely ... most HTML5 elements are rendered by the browser using a default style sheet.  HOWEVER (!!!) each vendor's style sheet may be different!!!  I can't stress this enough.  For some layouts / pages, the nuanced differences will be negligible and acceptable.  For other layouts, it could be devastating.  Near the end of this lesson, I'll recommend a few CSS Frameworks that even out the rough spots -- they equalize most popular web browsers so that you can a more consistent experience across many vendor browsers.  My advice: never depend on the defaults, especially if you are pursuing a very specific layout you have in mind.  You will be disappointed when someone reports that the formatting of the page is weird (this has happened to mer personally more times than I like to admit).

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634902501291801162 Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:35:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634902501291801162 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Hi Bob

Thanks for all the great work you did 

I checked your website and found that most of the videos in C# and I am  interested  in getting more advanced training in VB 2010/2012. I am interested in videos like Entity Framework, LINQ , ADO.NET do you have or planing in posting some VB 2012 videos in your websites? please advise

 

posted by Moyacoub

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634909357884107025 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:03:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634909357884107025 Moyacoub Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @Moyacoub: In 2013 I will be creating that content in VB.  Keep checking back!

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634909476583075572 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:20:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634909476583075572 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Mr Bob Tabor can you please recommend some books or site with pdf files with this same subject.  Also thank you very much for this high quality e learning  site.

Muito Obrigado!

Marco Santos

posted by marcosantos

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634922102950039673 Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:04:55 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634922102950039673 marcosantos Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @marcosantos: See the very last video in this series where I give you recommendations for my favorite books.  Smiley

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634923394648233602 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:57:44 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634923394648233602 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @BobTabor:Hello Sir, I want to become a programmer. Can U please guide me. Smiley
I am in B.Tech 3rd Year, CSE.

posted by Purva_Hattekar

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634941221949132387 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:09:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634941221949132387 Purva_Hattekar Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @Purva_Hattekar: That's what I do ... how can I help you?

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634941253694118750 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:02:49 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634941253694118750 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Awesome tutorials for Beginners. . I was not familiar with even html but now you tutorials guiding me in a right track . . .
I have a some doubt in mind,if I using a title of a book which is in quotes then which element shall I use ? Cite ? q ? or both ?

Thanks,
Ali.

posted by Ali

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634942352585153868 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634942352585153868 Ali Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @Ali: Does this help?  (See the section titled "Changes in HTML5" near the bottom):

http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/cite.html

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634943847964121689 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:06:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634943847964121689 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 posted by Ali

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634945133669822002 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:49:26 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634945133669822002 Ali Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 posted by Awesome

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634945344273797168 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:40:27 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634945344273797168 Awesome Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Lesson number 3 was very comprehensive.
Please explain some some of the styles which are very important. such as
overflow:hidden . i am watching lesson number 5 for now.
my objective is to learn html and Css and thus design my blog the way i want -> <a href="http://TrixKing.blogspot.com">My Blog</a>

posted by kamran

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634959944765027113 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:14:36 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634959944765027113 kamran Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @kamran: This article seems to have some background good info related to overflow:hidden and why we need it ...

http://www.impressivewebs.com/clearing-floats-why-necessary/

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634960474016549425 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:56:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634960474016549425 BobTabor Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 posted by Gilbert

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634969857835564857 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:36:23 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c634969857835564857 Gilbert Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 Previous to starting this tutorial series I "thought" I knew how to design webpages. Halfway through video 1 I was very skeptical. Starting video 2 I even more skeptical, doubtful that I would actually learn anything.

Now, I am about to begin video 5, and I am very pleased to say I am hooked. You have convinced me that you are, indeed, very knowledgable, and I have no doubt that following you serie(s) will be very beneficial to me.

You are very humble, precise, and your lesson structure is excellent. Thank you very much to your contribution to the community. "Absolute Beginner" might be "selling yourself short." After finishing series I will absolutely be visiting your other works.

You are a blessing!

posted by Cody K Mercer

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c635011725347112118 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:35:34 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c635011725347112118 Cody K Mercer Re: Working with Paragraphs and Text - 05 @Cody K Mercer: Wow, thanks for the nice things you said.  Made my day.  Glad the videos are helpful for you.  Hope you continue to feel they're worthwhile!

posted by BobTabor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c635012967773857349 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners/Working-with-Paragraphs-and-Text-05#c635012967773857349 BobTabor