Comment Feed for Channel 9 - The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/ch9/e402/62dfe610-0895-421f-acd2-9e1a012be402/TheFullStack1_100_ch9.jpg Channel 9 - The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First Jesse Liberty and Jon Galloway are kicking off a new screencast series called The Full Stack. They're pair-programming, building out a full application from a server back-end down to Windows Phone, web, Silverlight, and wherever else the app-building process leads them. Join them for the ride! In this inaugural episode, they dig right in with a server back-end using NuGet, ASP.NET MVC 3, Razor views, and Entity Framework Code-First.   en Thu, 23 May 2013 03:22:24 GMT Thu, 23 May 2013 03:22:24 GMT Rev9 Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First The audio and video are higher quality starting with the next epidode. We were figuring out some technical details since Jesse and I are roughly 3000 miles apart. Any other comments, suggestions, things you'd like to see?

posted by jongalloway

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634236617730000000 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 03:49:33 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634236617730000000 jongalloway Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First did i miss the part where you changed ID to an auto-incrementing identity and removed it from the 'Create' page?

posted by piersh

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634236723310000000 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:45:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634236723310000000 piersh Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First Great initial demo for a starting point.

Re: Piersh, you may have noticed the extra attribute at the top of the Product class saying to ignore the ProductID field. [Bind(Exclud="ProductID")] They forgot to talk about that.

The thing I dislike most about demos is the single POCO stuff. If you could run the next one with at least one other foreign entity would be much closer to real world. Or even master/detail where the detail has ID's to another entity.

Another rarely shown demo is custom login via database not via ASP.NET users.

One thing that would have been handy to mention is that TryUpdateModel is part of the MVC controller. As at first I was waiting for you to implement the method, but then realised it wasn't erroring on it so it must have been part of the framework.

posted by N2Cheval

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634236885890000000 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:16:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634236885890000000 N2Cheval Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First Hi, an above average video.
Only two critiscms.

a) The Video Quality (But thats been sorted out)
b) In your description you mention Pair Programming,
doesn't that involve one writing tests whilst the others
programs code to pass the test, and I dont see any tests yet.

Thanks Again.

Tom

posted by Tominator2005

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634237089060000000 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:55:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634237089060000000 Tominator2005 Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First @Tominator2005: Ok, except for the bizzare tangent into baldness, the colourful bird and washing machine background music and the lack of any design or approach to the problem, especially when Jesse says "what are you doing here?". That's a level 1 tutorial; something quick, easy to copy to make work and doesn't require a lot of thought.

I think learning and demonstrating should be done like role playing games where you start with very simple level 1 scenarios which get more complicated as the presenter creates each one from scratch. No thought in the design of level 1 or 2, but you must think about 3 and above. If the student has created (from scratch) a good number of levels of applicaitons then they are going to know the stuff. The problem with most tutorials is that they stop a the 1st or 2nd level scenarios or only show advancements in the one scenario that will not apply in other scenarios which unless you are learning for learnings sake, doesn't help when the student has a certain scenario to build.

I see testing as level 2.

My question to Jon is, to what level will he go with the tutorials?

posted by N2Cheval

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634237230280000000 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:50:28 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634237230280000000 N2Cheval Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First @Tominator2005, @N2Cheval - Thanks for the feedback. We'll definitely be writing unit tests, and should have talked about that in this episode. We're not going to be tracking products, so I was really just showing the flow and mechanics of a new MVC 3 project doing CRUD operation using EF Code First. We'll nuke that controller and model and rebuild with unit tests, probably in episode 3 or 4. Episode 2 is already recorded, and it covers the Windows Phone UI.

We are planning to keep building this out to a full working system. File / New Project is kind of by nature a Level 1 topic. Don't worry, this will ramp up as we get the groundwork laid.

There are different approaches to pair programming - the model in which one writes the test and the other writes the code is effective, and we may try that, but it's a little tricky to pass the keyboard back and forth when we live 3000 miles apart. Step one is covering the basics, and that includes getting me up to speed on Windows Phone developement and getting Jesse up to speed on the server-side / MVC side.

posted by jongalloway

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634237979550000000 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:39:15 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634237979550000000 jongalloway Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First Thanks for the series...I like the fact that this isn't some canned walkthrough and you're explaining the WHY behind what you're doing for each line of code!
Thx.

posted by Allen Feinberg

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634238600210000000 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:53:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634238600210000000 Allen Feinberg Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First That is great

posted by JackNova

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634238852510000000 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:54:11 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634238852510000000 JackNova Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First posted by sv

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634239351730000000 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:46:13 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634239351730000000 sv Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First Hi Jon I do not what to sound negative but will you finish this project, the project you started on the asp.net MVC Application Development Music Store stalled on Part 3. I do not blame you as there is no pot of gold at the end of if, in other words no remuneration for finishing the project for a client for example. We are all guilty of this with unfinished projects littering our hard drives. I really enjoyed the first part with a good insight to MVC 3 and Razor, and the banter between you and Jesse was a joy to listen to.

Look forward to part 2

Alan       

posted by alan_247

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634241490880000000 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:11:28 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634241490880000000 alan_247 Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First I am somewhat puzzled, who is the target audience for this series: developers new to MVC3, or ones new to MVC? Walkthrough NuPack was nice; Code First example could be interesting, but it was generated and otherwise glossed over. Same withRazor.

Altogether, some 90% of time was spent on creating views and tinkering with controller. Nothing that Nerd Dinner didn't learn months ago. Hopefully, next episodes will make it clear - if you are new to MVC (then maybe you shouldn't use pre-release software); or if you want to learn new stuff in MVC and EF.

Thanks and good luck

posted by YMHEE_BCEX

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634241929050000000 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:21:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634241929050000000 YMHEE_BCEX Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First First episode was very good as I'm new to MVC3 and was looking for exactly this type of intro.

How many episodes can we expect and how often? I'm looking forward to the second episode coming out soon.

Thanks

posted by RichardAlan

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634242569250000000 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 01:08:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634242569250000000 RichardAlan Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First We hope to post approximately weekly, and I honestly don't know how many episodes.  If the interest remains high, my expectation is that we'll continue these through the entire project.

 

Thanks!

-jesse

posted by JesseLiberty

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634243096460000000 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:47:26 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/The-Full-Stack/The-Full-Stack-Part-1-Building-the-Admin-Site-with-ASPNET-MVC-3-NuPack-and-EF-Code-First#c634243096460000000 JesseLiberty Re: The Full Stack, Part 1 - Building the Admin Site with ASP.NET MVC 3, NuGet and EF Code First Oct 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, piersh wrote
did i miss the part where you changed ID to an auto-incrementing identity and removed it from the 'Create' page?

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I must have missed this too... when did that happen during the video?

posted by Jdalley

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