Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework http://ak.channel9.msdn.com/ch9/3464/ea70e667-0b76-4115-b94a-9eaa011d3464/CheckingInJeffDerstadt_100_ch9.jpg Channel 9 - Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework Jeff Derstadt is a developer on the Entity Framework team, and in this video Erik visits Jeff to learn more about what he does day to day. Jeff and Erik talk about programming data, generally, and the Entity Framework development model, specifically. We learn about how Jeff got into software development, how/why he landed in the data world, things he's working on, his team's interaction with developer customers, providing the things users of EF need/want - like Code First-, and the software engineering processed employed by his broader development team, especially as it relates to the developer-tester relationship. Check out the latest Checking In with Erik Meijer.Enjoy. en Tue, 21 May 2013 10:57:32 GMT Tue, 21 May 2013 10:57:32 GMT Rev9 Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework Why is this being rated so low? Spammers?
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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365134110000000 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:43:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365134110000000 Charles Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework Thumbs up from me, especially as a code-first fan Smiley

posted by exoteric

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365149600000000 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:09:20 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365149600000000 exoteric Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework @Charles:  Not sure, but I'm having problems with Channel9 right now ... generic 'server error in application" errors. 

posted by Richard.Hein

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365193200000000 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 23:22:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365193200000000 Richard.Hein Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework @Home: I don't have a problem (well, everybody has problems...) and I have a lot to say. Smiley What do you mean, exactly? I was only curious why people were downvoting this piece. It doesn't seem logical to me given the quality and depth of conversation and the people involved in it... Nothing more. Nothing less.
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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365254880000000 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:04:48 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365254880000000 Charles Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework

, exoteric wrote

Thumbs up from me, especially as a code-first fan Smiley

 

Right on Smiley
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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365285190000000 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:55:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365285190000000 Charles Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework @Richard.Hein: Yes. We are/were experiencing some issues and Duncan et al are all over it. Sorry about that.
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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365285680000000 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:56:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365285680000000 Charles Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework I can see the problem. You don't really know what customers are doing and what their needs are, so it is hard to design something like that. 
You touched on very interesting problems we had to deal with when deciding on what framework to use. And since there are more people with web scenarios I can see why Microsoft went that route, and I can see now why some of you would think important features for desktop development were postponed. Such as detaching entities or canceling save operations, or doing batch inserts/updates/deletes etc. 
Anyway, to give some feedback we just finished redesigning one of our internal apps. It was fairly small 3 databases and around 150 tables for all. Again we had to deal with legacy data. 
The next app on the horizon has 300+ tables and they are not ultra normalized. One table per type, in some case one table per derived type, but no more than 2 levels in the hierarchy, for the reasons mentioned in the interview, as you will need to do unions for complex searches. 
Thanks, that video was very helpful and I am glad you guys are trying hard to make it standout. 
 

posted by _ivan

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365376010000000 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 04:26:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365376010000000 _ivan Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework It would probably be a good idea to setup a separate page on Channel 9 or MSDN to poll for peoples' opinions.
I've seen Microsoft does survey during some special events, but that hardly includes all the people out there.
With MSDN on-line surveys for a specific technology you would get a larger crowd and more statistically diverse one too.
Especially for BETA products I would definetely setup an on-line survey page to get people's feed back earlier in the life-cycle.
May be you do have such surveys, but I have not seen it myself. I've seen the one where you need to answer a ton of generic questions about Microsoft as a company and it takes a long time.
I would rather have it very technology or product specific so it is fast for users and narrow focused for MS Dev teams.
Message boards are good, but not a good representation, but these boards can be used to develop questionnaires.

posted by _ivan

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365839930000000 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:19:53 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634365839930000000 _ivan Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework I like it. I finally found the feedback link all grayed out at the bottom. It is a gray thumbs up but when I mouse over it, it blushes gold. But the thumbsup turn down. Leaves me a bit nonplused. Ok there is only one thumb, but it does turn down.. Expressionless

 

posted by garrettvm

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634368429850000000 Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:16:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634368429850000000 garrettvm Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework OK, I like it == 5 starrs. Or I know I will like it when I finish viewing it. Angel  Another dynamic trio - Jeff, Charles and Erik. Please keep all the great videos coming.

posted by garrettvm

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634368433200000000 Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:22:00 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634368433200000000 garrettvm Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework Nice interview. It's always interesting when you get to know a bit more about the development context of a technology, who are the people working on it, where it's at, what were the roadblocks.

posted by cycnus

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634386229280000000 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:42:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634386229280000000 cycnus Re: Checking In: Jeff Derstadt - Programming Data and the Entity Framework A fellow cheesehead.

posted by dawei

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634394740140000000 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 04:06:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Jeff-Derstadt-Programming-Data-and-the-Entity-Framework#c634394740140000000 dawei