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	<description>Larry Osterman is a legend and one of Channel 9&#39;s favorite personalities - it&#39;s been too long since you&#39;ve been on C9, Larry! Now,&amp;nbsp;what would happen if C9 hero&amp;nbsp;Erik Meijer interviewed Larry? Well, you&#39;d get&amp;nbsp;the latest episode of Checking In&amp;nbsp;and one heck of a conversation. Oh yeah. Make yourself comfortable, grab a beer, some egg nog or whatever you like to drink, sit back, relax and enjoy this truly fascinating conversation as though you were in the room with us - classic C9.Larry&#39;s been at Microsoft for over 26 years and he&#39;s been a software developer (SDE)&amp;nbsp;for almost all of this time (he dabbled in management briefly, but writing software is what he really loves to do). He&#39;s well known for his work on the Windows audio subsystem. But what else has Larry worked on over the years? How did he land at Microsoft? What&#39;s his story? We cover several topics ranging from STL to Larry&#39;s Microsoft job interview with Steve Ballmer. If you know Larry or have&amp;nbsp;seen any of his other Channel 9 interviews&amp;nbsp;over the years, you know that he&#39;s full of great stories and delivers them in a way that only he can. It&#39;s Larry time on C9. Thank you Larry and Erik for this conversational&amp;nbsp;treat!Happy holidays from Channel 9 wherever you are and whatever, if anything, you&#39;re celebrating! </description>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Charles Torre .... NOT the freaking PR Police <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-5.gif?v=c9' alt='Wink' /></p><p>posted by dentaku</p>]]>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Classic Channel9 ... I love it! <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif?v=c9' alt='Smiley' /></p><p>posted by littleguru</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:23:28 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Is that a build window I see on the monitor&#63;  &#58;&#41;<p>posted by MikePoz</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:11:52 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Well done for this great interview. There&#39;s so much to learn from Larry, hope we get to see him more often &#58;&#41;<br><br>Any chance of interviewing an other long timer and msdn blog legend Raymond Chen&#63; I don&#39;t think he has ever featured on channel9.<p>posted by bob</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:19:46 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Larry-Osterman-26-Years-of-Programming-at-Microsoft#c634604483861893466">bob</a>: We've tried. Raymond doesn't like cameras pointing at him. We'll try again. Maybe he's mellowed with age <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif?v=c9' alt='Smiley' /></p><p>C</p><p>posted by Charles</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:29:35 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Cheers for profiling BEFORE optimization. I am always struck by how many engineers, <em>experienced</em> engineers, do not follow this. Their code becomes so obfuscated from these micro optimizations that it becomes a nightmare to maintain and change.</p><p>posted by bryanedds</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:58:41 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>I think the three keys for building large systems that can be reliably reasoned about is to a) heavily leverage immutability in the general case, b) use declarative programming with DSLs where valuable, and c) architect for reasonably-grained modularity. Also necessary is the tooling to assist you in reasoning about programs like strong type systems, and / or code contracts. Especially powerful are languages that make it easy to build analysis tools for them (such as DSLs with s-expressions or XML). And yes, then there's unit tests and integration tests. So I guess there's six keys... at least <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif?v=c9' alt='Smiley' /></p><p>Refactoring toward this implementation model over time should help get the complexity under control. But for large code bases, it take years and a complete organization and engineering team commitment over that whole period. That seems to be the hard part.</p><p>EDIT: Oh, and you also have to tool up for all of it, in terms of build systems and core competencies. I can see why organizations get stuck with legacy implementation models... Phew.</p><p>posted by bryanedds</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 00:17:41 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<div><p>Both a &quot;Checking In&quot; &amp;&amp; &quot;Going Deep&quot; released on Christmas Day. What a good gift. Both, out of the park. Happy Holidays guys.</p></div><p>posted by faperdue2112</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 00:31:18 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>HEROS ! <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-11.gif?v=c9' alt='Cool' /></p><p>posted by felix9</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 00:43:59 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Ah just bought the Jon Louis Bentley&nbsp;book mentioned :</p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/013970244X/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_asp_eJwxC.1JCE93W">http://www.amazon.com/dp/013970244X/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_asp_eJwxC.1JCE93W</a></p><p>posted by Rohit H</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 00:57:44 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>What an excellent interview! Thank you, Larry and the C9 team.</p><p>posted by FFE</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 02:09:34 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Finally. The Oster Man is back. Even the Beck Man is back. &nbsp;<img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-2.gif?v=c9' alt='Big Smile' /></p><p>posted by exoteric</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:14:17 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for this episode! Great chat, great chaps!</p><p>posted by deiruch</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:32:17 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Awesome! You guys should make more of these&nbsp;interviews more often. They are interesting and you learn a lot <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-2.gif?v=c9' alt='Big Smile' />&nbsp;</p><p>posted by martinmine</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:06:02 GMT</pubDate>
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		<title>Re: Checking In: Larry Osterman - 26 Years of Programming at Microsoft and Counting</title>
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			<![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><div class="quoteText"><p></p><p><a class="permalink" title="Comment Permalink" href="/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Larry-Osterman-26-Years-of-Programming-at-Microsoft#c634604570390428587">1 day&nbsp;ago</a>, <a href="/Niners/felix9">felix9</a> wrote</p><p>HEROS ! <img src="http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-11.gif?v=c9" alt="Cool"></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I 2nd that!</p><p>posted by AceHack</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:32:05 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Very interesting interview! That's a great Christmas present. Thanks Larry for your time and for sharing your insights.</p><p>posted by C64</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:06:08 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Really excellent interview&#47;chat session - thanks Charles, Eric and Larry.<br><br>Going on from the very brief discussion of COM at the end there, would it be possible for a future C9 video to look at COM&#63;<p>posted by Martin</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:55:26 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Larry-Osterman-26-Years-of-Programming-at-Microsoft#c634606089264604194">Martin</a>: Thanks Martin. Have you seen Jim Springfield's conversation on ATL, which necessarily involves COM? <a href="http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/C9-GoingNative/GoingNative-4-Jim-Springfield-on-ATL-GoingNative-Conference-Register-Today">http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/C9-GoingNative/GoingNative-4-Jim-Springfield-on-ATL-GoingNative-Conference-Register-Today</a><br><br>A deep dive into COM itself would be great, I agree. Let's see what we can do <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-5.gif?v=c9' alt='Wink' /></p><p>C</p><p>posted by Charles</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:01:41 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
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			<![CDATA[I have now - thanks for the link&#33;<p>posted by Martin</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:19:54 GMT</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
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			<![CDATA[Thank you for this episode&#33; Osterman is inspirational. Need to see more of him. &#58;&#41;<p>posted by Ramses</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:41 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Quite funny actually, Erik said that youngsters wouldn't have programmed in ASM anymore, though at my uni we learn ASM (lovely thing to do aswell)</p><p>posted by DyMeeus</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 02:43:08 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>While Larry was in College I was a &nbsp;developer working on the RSTS operating system. Yes it was a PDP-11 Larry worked with in high school.</p><p>posted by AlfredTh</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 05:09:06 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>@Charles -</p><p>Why are you so surprised at the prevalence of C#&nbsp;and the CLR in Windows? Do you feel that only native code is up to the task of providing the performance and capabilities needed?</p><p>posted by rplaire</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:25:17 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Larry-Osterman-26-Years-of-Programming-at-Microsoft#c634607079178015193">rplaire</a>: I just didn't know that the Windows Media Center UI is implemented in C#... So, I was surprised. <br><br>C</p><p>posted by Charles</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:53:57 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Larry revealed an amazing declaration to me, which was that no one understands windows code in its entirety.<br><br>Are you kidding me&#63; Why is Windows NOT DOCUMENTED&#63; If a collaborative effort were initiated by the minds of everyone who knows a piece of this OS, there could be some intelligence drawn from it that was RECORDED.<br><br>Now I know why Windows has been so damn unpredictable and unreliable in times past&#59; and I suspect if Windows isn&#39;t documented it&#39;s not a mental leap to believe that neither are any of the Windows Office apps nor is Visual Studio which, for me as a developer who uses VS, is scarey as hell.<br><br>While it is impressive that daily builds of windows occurs, why then, if that feat can be achieved, a documentation process can&#39;t also be instituted&#63;<br><br><p>posted by Brice Richard</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:05:21 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Cool, I just wrote an article about &quot;How do you read source code?&quot; (<a href="http://himmele.blogspot.com/2012/01/how-do-you-read-source-code.html">http&#58;&#47;&#47;himmele.blogspot.com&#47;2012&#47;01&#47;how-do-you-read-source-code.html</a>) and now I found that video. Just great <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif?v=c9' alt='Smiley' />.</p><p>posted by Daniel_Himmelein</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:24:17 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>@Brice Richard: You've clearly never worked on a really big software project before. Of course Windows is documented - perhaps moreso now than ever before thanks to the Consent Decree &amp; EU settlements <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-5.gif?v=c9' alt='Wink' /></p><p>In fact, the original Windows NT design docs written by Cutler et al were actually donated to the Smithsonian!</p><p>What you don't understand is just how big Windows is. It's approaching 100M lines of code these days. It includes the Kernel (HAL, memory manager, DMA &amp; interrupt handling mechanisms, drivers, DRM, etc.), Win32, GDI, User, System, RPC, COM, DCOM, COM&#43;, ActiveX, DirectX, ADO, FAT/NTFS, the Windows shell (Explorer, control panel, etc), WMI, Powershell, IE, WiFi and networking infrastructure, tools and applets, SMB (the docs&nbsp;for this one feature alone are 500 pages long!),&nbsp;Registry, Hyper-V, Active Driectory, ADFS, CLR &amp; .NET, and so on and so on. Want a taste of how complex this all is? Go read MSDN or the Windows Server protocol specs: <a href="<a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg258393(v=prot.13">http&#58;&#47;&#47;msdn.microsoft.com&#47;en-us&#47;library&#47;gg258393&#40;v&#61;prot.13</a>).aspx"><a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg258393(v=prot.13">http&#58;&#47;&#47;msdn.microsoft.com&#47;en-us&#47;library&#47;gg258393&#40;v&#61;prot.13</a>).aspx</a></p><p>No one human being could possibly remember all public API's (and their parameters and return types) and what they do, let alone understand the enormous complexities that exist throughout the inner workings of the entire OS.</p><p>posted by BitCrazed</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:28:14 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>I feel so incredibly blessed to be able to work with Larry. It's been a total blast work directly with him on features for Windows 8. A total blast <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif?v=c9' alt='Smiley' />.</p><p>posted by JasonOlson</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:40:13 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Great interview! I went to my local library and checked out &quot;Writing Efficient Programs&quot; - can't wait to see how it still applies.</p><p>I was SO glad EriK asked about the TeXBook. It was disappointing that Larry only worked with it for a summer though - TeX is a mind blow.</p><p>I suspect Erik is a TeX freak - am I right? Maybe he'd do a deep dive on it <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif?v=c9' alt='Smiley' /></p><p>posted by Justin Bailey</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:20:19 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I was watching this video when my son came up to my computer, saw Larry, pointed at him and yelled &#34;Santa Claus&#33;&#34;<p>posted by Ivan</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:24:45 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>People like Larry are the heart &amp; soul of a great enterprise.</p><p>posted by erictn</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 04:49:32 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>@<a href="/Shows/Checking-In-with-Erik-Meijer/Checking-In-Larry-Osterman-26-Years-of-Programming-at-Microsoft#c634612503210550709">Brice Richard</a>:There was a fair amount of controversy about that &quot;nobody understands&quot; statement.&nbsp; But it's true - Back in the early 1990s, Dave Cutler was able to understand how every part of the system worked, but that's simply not true any more.&nbsp; I seriously doubt that there is ANY general purpose operating system in widespread use where a single person can understand how the entire system works.</p><p>There are people who know everything about how the filesystems and I/O subsystem work (and a lot about how memory management and the kernel scheduler works), but I seriously doubt they understand deeply how the display driver infrastructure works with the internals of GDI, User and DWM.&nbsp;</p><p>It's simply to big for one person to comprehend.</p><p>This is why have extensive internal documentation about the interactions between the various subsystems.&nbsp; Of course the quality and accuracy of that documentation varies from component to component but in general, it's good enough.&nbsp; And of course there are area experts that are well known within the Windows team - you've met several of them here on C9 (Arun Kishan and Landy Wang come to mind immediately).</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>posted by Larry Osterman</p>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:15:41 GMT</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Really enjoyed this interview! I always feel so proud to work for Microsoft, and so inspired when I see interviews with our living legends.<br><br>Thank you!&nbsp;</p><p>posted by NinjaPanda</p>]]>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Thank you guys for a most epic of interviews.</p><p>I'm a young dev who grew up learning the ways of the Force on the DOS/Windows family of products so this provided a lot of good, insightful history for me.</p><p>Know your past so that you may lead others into the future.</p><p>posted by RenzoDev</p>]]>
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			<![CDATA[<p>Fantastic interview!&nbsp; This one is without doubt among the very best of all time on Ch9.&nbsp; There is so much wisdom and experience in Larry's words.&nbsp; This man knows of what he speaks, and we could probably all learn a few things from him.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>posted by ryanb</p>]]>
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			<![CDATA[Larry is not only one of the more long-lived employees at Microsoft. He&#39;s also a phenomenal software engineer -- able to code and work in pretty much any part of the stack, from drivers to the kernel to user mode applications -- and he&#39;s also an incredibly collaborative and nice guy to work with. Nice that he&#39;s getting this recognition. You rock, Larry&#33; &#58;&#41;<p>posted by Tom</p>]]>
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