Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Application Compatibility - Debugging http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/249597_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - Application Compatibility - Debugging In this video, we sit down (well, stand up actually) with Chris Jackson and Gov Maharaj to chat about debugging application compatibility issues (and some of the things Microsoft has done to mitigate typical app compat issues we've run into). Hopefully we'll get a follow-up video with Gov to talk specifically about debugging tips and tricks. Apologies for the whiteboarding. I didn't get the best angle on it so it can be hard to read. Enjoy! en Fri, 24 May 2013 04:43:04 GMT Fri, 24 May 2013 04:43:04 GMT Rev9 Re: Application Compatibility - Debugging
That's by far the hardest job I've seen out of all of you guys at Microsoft - even the PreOS guys have something to work from.

It looks like the type of thing which can swing from the most boring and downright irritatating job on the planet to one of the most intellectually interesting and (dare I say it) even exciting tasks that there is.

Sounds like the type of job that I'd enjoy for a month, but want to get out of before it killed me - or maybe it's addictive in a strange way. There's certainly nothing else like it Tongue Out

posted by evildictaitor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633371949560000000 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:15:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633371949560000000 evildictaitor Re: Application Compatibility - Debugging Agreed, at least on my side. Part of me thinks about how much fun and intellectually challenging this sort of job would be full-time. But then the realist in me realizes how frustrating it must be at times as well, and there's no way I would give up my current job for something like this.

However, I think it is something I'm going to have to try in the future before my career is over Smiley.

posted by JasonOlson

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What's really crazy are the folks who have done this so long that they just dump hex to the screen, look at it as if it were The Matrix code, and proclaim what the problem is. Scary. I at least need assembler, and I sure prefer symbols.

I hear the AEBIT team is looking for a few amazing debuggers, Jason...

posted by Chris Jackson

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633372396560000000 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:40:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633372396560000000 Chris Jackson Re: Application Compatibility - Debugging
Chris Jackson wrote:
I hear the AEBIT team is looking for a few amazing debuggers, Jason...


That's soo not fair. You've got me all tempted to apply now Tongue Out. On the other hand in my current job I get all the fun of writing things in assembler without the mind-boggling amazement of people setting the form background to the titlebar's text color.

I mean, seriously, what were they thinking!?

posted by evildictaitor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633372561620000000 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:16:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633372561620000000 evildictaitor Re: Application Compatibility - Debugging
Gov is an amazingly talented individual, he received some very high visibility this last year from way up the food chain.  In fact I suspect he's really an alien in disguise based on the insane number of people he's helped in email threads.

I don't know Chris but good job to both of you guys!!!

Cool

posted by jrg

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633374209810000000 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:03:01 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633374209810000000 jrg Re: Application Compatibility - Debugging posted by JasonOlson

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633377506140000000 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:36:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633377506140000000 JasonOlson Re: Application Compatibility - Debugging
evildictaitor wrote:

I mean, seriously, what were they thinking!?


 My guess, it was a quick way to enable user gui design customizations to carry forward into the app .. skin the app with current desktop theme; An opportunistic approach to streamlining the end-user experience. 

 Seems kinda like a hack I might try to avoid writing in alot of extra property tabs for appearance. Wink

Keep up the good work .... where can I get some quick tips on getting started with these 'shims' ... sounds like my kinda ting! Maybe you could put together a demonstration of 'Shimming An App'

-MarsOrBust-




 

posted by MadNav

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633382267010000000 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:51:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Developer+Meet+Server/Application-Compatibility-Debugging#c633382267010000000 MadNav Re: Application Compatibility - Debugging I am an infant when it comes to everything you were discussing.  I am glad someone is taking the time to put it all together.  I for one need all the information I can get my hands on and getting it from the source is a luxury.

Keep up the flow of information, and perhaps at some point I might come looking for AEBIT myself.  I enjoy a challenge and the triumph over the impossible is unparalleled.

posted by VeracityInexcusable

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