Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" http://ak.channel9.msdn.com/ch9/6e9a/9d148183-4683-41c6-8b70-9f1001346e9a/AboladeGbadegesinInsideMango_100_ch9.jpg Channel 9 - Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" There have been a lot of positive reviews of the upcoming Windows Phone 7 OS release, code named "Mango." This release is a big one. It contains over 500 new features (and over 1000 new APIs), is full of improvements - from the core OS to the performance of UI scrolling - and "Mango" puts the user in control of almost everything the system has to offer. "Mango" represents some impressive engineering. Since this is Going Deep, we are necessarily interested in the system-level improvements inside the Windows Phone operating system (in addition meeting a key engineer behind it). Two new core or system-level features in "Mango" are a generational garbage collector and support for multitasking, or the ability to concurrently run application processes in both the foreground and background. GGC and Multitasking are going to be great for developers and users alike. How does multitasking in "Mango" work? How is it designed? Lot's of great user features, but what about improvements to the developer experience? Let's ask the great Abolade Gbadegesin—a stellar software engineer (writing mostly C++ -> go native!) and key contributor to the Windows Phone operating system, application services, and overall "Mango" platform architecture—to get some real answers. Tune in. en Sun, 19 May 2013 17:24:29 GMT Sun, 19 May 2013 17:24:29 GMT Rev9 Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" This video explains unanswered questions and a lot more, very informative. Cool

posted by 127_0_0_1_Matter

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634454978550000000 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:24:15 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634454978550000000 127_0_0_1_Matter Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" #1 Responsiveness
#2 Removing headphone --> Music pauses
#3 Metro design language

Worst WP7 features:
#1 Read mail, delete it --> Shows as unread in Outlook
#2 Inability to hide Live contacts and feeds
#3 Inability to sync text messages to Exchange

posted by Simon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634454978770000000 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:24:37 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634454978770000000 Simon Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango"

Best WP7 features:
#1 Responsiveness
#2 Removing headphone --> Music pauses
#3 Metro design language

Worst WP7 features:
#1 Read mail, delete it --> Shows as unread in Outlook
#2 Inability to hide Live contacts and feeds
#3 Inability to sync text messages to Exchange

WP7 already properly does show deleted mail in the appropriate Deleted Items folder. I use it everyday with Exchange Online and it works as expected. Perhaps you are using both WP7 and Outlook with some other obscure email server because itn Exchange it works for me as expected.

If the IM came from Lync Server or Lync Online, it does archive it and this is not the same as IM with your wireless carrier account. Perhaps the latter will sync to the Windows Phone Live account.

posted by techieg

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634454996650000000 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:54:25 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634454996650000000 techieg Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" 1. Get an email (shows both on the phone and Outlook)
2. Open it on the phone, delete it
3. Check outlook, it'll show "Deleted Items (1)" with the newly deleted item being unread when I read it on the phone.


By the way another nice video. Hope Charles goes deeper (kernel stuff, ...) in the future with Abolade. He's great at explaining things!

posted by Simon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455002480000000 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:04:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455002480000000 Simon Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango"

....

By the way another nice video. Hope Charles goes deeper (kernel stuff, ...) in the future with Abolade. He's great at explaining things!

You'll see Abolade on 9 again.

C

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455007220000000 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:12:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455007220000000 Charles Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @Simon:

This is on Exchange 2010. Steps to repro:
1. Get an email (shows both on the phone and Outlook)
2. Open it on the phone, delete it
3. Check outlook, it'll show "Deleted Items (1)" with the newly deleted item being unread when I read it on the phone.

I just got my phone hooked up to our Exchange server and I have the exact same issue with deleted emails, they are all marked unread even after opening them before deleting.

posted by Kazansky

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455046390000000 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:17:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455046390000000 Kazansky Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" Well done, Abolade.  Clear and deep enough to add a new level of appreciation for not only the Mango release but for the new use cases for application developers going forward.

Kudos.

 

 

posted by JimPurus

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455060650000000 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:41:05 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455060650000000 JimPurus Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" Excellent Abolade! On the next one, just start at the whiteboard because you did a fantastic job diagramming and describing the subsystems!

Cheers,
Horus

 

posted by hmapro

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455163910000000 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:33:11 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455163910000000 hmapro Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango"

Worst WP7 features:
#2 Inability to hide Live contacts and feeds

This one is fixed in Mango Smiley

posted by Quppa

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455353440000000 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 07:49:04 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455353440000000 Quppa Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" posted by james vond

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455523440000000 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:32:24 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455523440000000 james vond Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @Simon:This issue also occurs with Hotmail and Gmail accounts (using Exchange ActiveSync Protocol). The worst part about it is that with Gmail archiving, it continues to show the message as unread in the your account until you manually mark it read. I reported this nearly 6 months ago via @winphonesupport. I was told that they would pass it on to the Windows Phone Team. This has been an issue since the Windows Mobile days. With everyone at Microsoft presumably using Exchange for their work e-mail, I really don't understand how this bug has slipped through the cracks for so long. Regardless, I hope Mango includes a fix for it.

posted by xpxp2002

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455570150000000 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:50:15 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455570150000000 xpxp2002 Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" posted by Simon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455647460000000 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:59:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455647460000000 Simon Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @Simon:That's disappointing. I guess we'll have to keep hoping for a fix in Tango...

posted by xpxp2002

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455724070000000 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:06:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455724070000000 xpxp2002 Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @james vond: OK James.......

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455815110000000 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:38:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634455815110000000 Charles Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango"
What would Windows kernel team have to say about admission control and bounding boxes, giving only those promises that particular device can keep?

Phone is more restrictive that general purpose OS, but when I have a full screen app running in desktop Windows, why should there be others interfering with resources I need for it?

Waiting for a similar deep dive with Windows kernel team ;).

posted by Mr Curious

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456252590000000 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 08:47:39 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456252590000000 Mr Curious Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" Great interview Charles.  Looking forward to more from Abolade!

posted by DaveDev

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456364560000000 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:54:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456364560000000 DaveDev Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" posted by Simon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456397640000000 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:49:24 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456397640000000 Simon Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" posted by Ken Jackson

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456602310000000 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:30:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456602310000000 Ken Jackson Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @Ken Jackson: Thanks. (And thanks @DaveDev).

Chris Brumme probably won't reappear on C9 for quite some time, if at all (I'm not sure he really likes to be interviewed on camera...). We only got him once and that was way back in 2004 - > http://channel9.msdn.com/search?term=Chris+Brumme (most of these old clips are download-only medium quality WMVs - no inline streaming or other formats available for downloading....).

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456608650000000 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:41:05 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456608650000000 Charles Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango"
1. How do you implement such a "run tracker"? Which agent type can be used? I think the scheduled task/peridic task is not working because it only runs all 30 minutes and can't access the gps. Correct?

2. How to implement background uploader that takes some minutes to upload and will be started after an application switch. Is it possible to do it only in battery-charging mode & wifi on?

posted by Rico

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456728120000000 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:00:12 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456728120000000 Rico Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" Great talk. Thanks much. Where can we go to file bugs/ideas? I'm running mango as a dev, meant for us to work on our apps, but I'm sure you'd love to hear some of our feedback.

posted by Dark_Halmut

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456799700000000 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:59:30 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456799700000000 Dark_Halmut Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @Dark_Halmut: There is no Connect for WP7 Dev, right?

You could send detailed technical feedback to the C9 team (Contact Us). Use a subject like WP7 Mango Dev Feedback. We will send it to the correct person on the WP7 dev team. I'd be happy to do this for any of you out there with detailed technical feedback/issues/suggestions. Now, let's keep this to Niners as I am not a product feedback service.

Alternatively, you could spin up a thread in TechOff that we ask the WP7 people to monitor. It's up to you. Just let us know.

C

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456822510000000 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 00:37:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634456822510000000 Charles Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @Charles: Thanks. I did some digging and also found this site for feature requests.

http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/110705-app-platform/topics/111325-how-can-we-improve-the-wpdev-application-platform-/filter/top?page=1

posted by Dark_Halmut

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634460247140000000 Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:45:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634460247140000000 Dark_Halmut Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" @Rico:1. for now the resource requirements of run tracker apps are unique enough that you're better off building them as foreground UI apps that run under the lock screen. since music can go into the background with Mango, this means you can still have a run tracker & audio playback running predictably & simultaneously.

2. for background transfers in Mango, we actually provide a built-in service that will handle the upload/download for you. take a look here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202953(v=VS.92).aspx">http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202953(v=VS.92).aspx

and here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/microsoft.phone.backgroundtransfer.backgroundtransferservice(v=VS.92).aspx">http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/microsoft.phone.backgroundtransfer.backgroundtransferservice(v=VS.92).aspx

posted by Abolade

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634460779860000000 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:33:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634460779860000000 Abolade Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" Thank you Charles, and thank you Abolade.

Excellent video.  I share your enthusiasm you have for the product.

Great work.  I'm running Mango dev preview and I think the team did a fantastic job.

posted by deadonthefloor

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634461793890000000 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:43:09 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634461793890000000 deadonthefloor Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" ++

posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634640735856488086 Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:19:45 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634640735856488086 Charles Re: Abolade Gbadegesin: Inside Windows Phone "Mango" posted by msfoste

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634665221017612741 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:28:21 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango#c634665221017612741 msfoste