Comment Feed for Channel 9 - E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/previewImages/100/502361_100x75.jpg Channel 9 - E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M Don Box is a Distinguished Engineer at Microsoft and has a rich history in the general purpose programming world. You remember SOAP, right? Don was one of the Gang of Four who designed SOAP. Don was also instrumental in the design and implementation of WCF. Don is currently building a new model-based data programming platform, code-named Oslo, along with a new language for describing data, M. Erik Meijer, programming language and library designer, chats with Don about the history of SOAP, model-based programming, data and M. Don will be at PDC09 and in addition to giving his usual stellar performance as a session speaker, he will be part of the Future of Programming panel (a view into Microsoft's perspective on trends and possibilities for general purpose programming in the age of many-core and cloud computing). en Tue, 21 May 2013 23:42:46 GMT Tue, 21 May 2013 23:42:46 GMT Rev9 Re: E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M Sweet goodness Don and Erik at the same time? Awesome Smiley I don't suppose there's any chance that Erik could interview Chris Brumme about what he's been up to of late? Wink

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posted by Charles

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posted by Charles

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Gilad, yes - optional/layered/pluggable type-systems. There is an analogy here. Code without intrinsic types, data without intrinsic types.

 

I like M and the whole idea of representing everything in a database, including source code down to the token level.

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posted by GrantB

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posted by exoteric

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633923618340000000 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:23:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633923618340000000 exoteric Re: E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M I love Don's sly C++ jokes (and I say this as someone who writes 80 / 20, C++ / C# - that's at work, at home the inverse is true [thank goodness]). I was lucky enough to see Don give a presentation during the very early days of .NET during which he talked about GC, reflection and other concepts and then finished off by turning to the audience and with a wink saying that he had a important new question that he felt that C++ developers on Windows should learn to ask: "You want fries with that?". Classic Smiley

posted by tomkirbygreen

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posted by RobertL

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633924354650000000 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:51:05 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633924354650000000 Charles Re: E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M 'M' is already in use as the name of an existing ANSI-Standard language (X11.1-1995) with quite a long history behind it.

posted by elmer

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 I feel slow here, but this is about the 3rd video I have seen on M, and still don't understand what it is or why I need it?  Is this an n-tier solution.    Will I be able to write an M model (w/ types) in VS and click deploy to setup the DB (to sql or Azure)?  I assume that is the Write/Mod stuff your working on. 

posted by staceyw

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633926149410000000 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:42:21 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633926149410000000 staceyw Re: E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M WCF is flexible, you can configure it to use different encodings including (since 3.5 SP1) JSON.

posted by contextfree

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633927164800000000 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:54:40 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633927164800000000 contextfree Re: E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M May be [probably is] a fail on my part but is the Zune WMV file broken?!  Thanks.

posted by gunston

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633927661880000000 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:43:08 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/E2E-Erik-Meijer-and-Don-Box-Perspectives-on-SOAP-Programming-Data-and-M#c633927661880000000 gunston Re: E2E: Erik Meijer and Don Box - Perspectives on SOAP, Programming Data and M Hi, can you elaborate? The file plays for me.

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posted by Charles

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posted by WinInsider

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