I think the ad wars are annoying. Apple stretches the truth quite a bit, and Microsoft's ads are just kind of lame. I guess my vision of Apple's retaliation is differnt, I think they are smug and just making fun of the campaign.

Microsoft is there with security, they have been since Vista's release (arguably Windows XP x64 which is based on Windows Server 2003). I think Microsoft is catching up on performance. Windows 7 is quite snappy. Windows Mobile.....not as snappy and smooth as the iPhone, but I am hopeful for Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7.

Ultimately I think Microsoft should just let the products speak for themselves. Windows the software is great. But their OEMs need to stay in check. When people buy a 500 dollar PC, it pretty much sucks. There needs to be a decent line of laptops between 1000-2000 dollars that is great quality. Apple's Macbook Pros feel so solid and nice. Aluminum body, lithium-polymer, batteries... I think some of Microsoft's OEMs are doing good work, but not consistantly and not all of them.

I like the Zune. I do not like DRM though. The pass is not for me. Amazon and Zune's DRM free MP3s are nice. Simple. Just make the Zune better than the iPod and iPod touch. It is that simple. Screw the pass. Sure a lot of people will like it, it will work for lots of people. But if I wanted to stream that music or use the Play to feature in Windows 7, I can't.

Oh and for a Zune ad , Zune Raw Deluxe, I like ads like that.

Max pointed out he liked, as do I.

Some Zune ads are just too interpretive. Especially at the very beginning, they were kind of psycho.... This was borderline but still good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJp6NThk7XE

If you look at the comments, the product does speak for itself.

"I'd say durability too.

I broke several ipods quickly, and I was taking care of them...

I treat my Zune like crap and I've never had a problem with it. 

And that counts for alot.."

"I used to be a huge ipod fan
(I've had 4 stolen from me)
And I'm currently borrowing my friend's zune..
It's amazing. It takes iTunes and Windows Media formats.
That's just the *! :D"
 
"I love my brick 30gb zune. <3 It still works, just needed a break. If zune can get Internet Explorer/Built-in Speaks on there... Screw iPod Touch. :D (Owns one anyways.)"
 

And to prove my point.

"i don't get this commercial, but i love my zune"

Microsoft is in a period where lots of great products will be released. Office 2010, Windows 7, Zune HD...just let the products speak for themselves with quality.

Edit:

I'd like you guys to explore http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/sideshow/Gaming_Solutions.mspx

http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/E/7/7E7662CF-CBEA-470B-A97E-CE7CE0D98DC2/SideShow_Gaming_Solutions.docx

Does Microsoft Game Studios have anything in the works? Are PC users going to suffer from console ports forever? Will this technology be viable? A laptop touchpad with an auxiliary display would be great.

posted by intelman

disregarding that, its not like there is just one mac to choose from! the whole point of the ad is that there is only one or atleast very few options with macs, thus making selection simple, but thats just totaly false! there are macs with small screens, big screens there are fast macs and slow ones. its just sooo contradictory.. and choise is a bad thing? apple used to be all about choosing something diffrent, but now they're saying choise is bad? but the biggest flaw.. macs ARE PCs ffs its only the OS [and the TPM chip] that is diffrent

apple shot them selvs in the foot on this one..

however, you guys should watch out so you dont turn into a marketing show though..   i agree with you but i think you'll loose viewer if its all "microsoft rulz, iphone sux" (not saying that it is, but its a slippery slope) it feels like every other show max talks about the awsomeness of the zune

posted by aL_

Oh...and Max really IS a Zune fanboy- he talks about it at lunch, in his car, after work....

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posted by Moemeka

But since we're on the subject - the fact that Microsoft still thinks it's competing with the iPod just shows how out of touch they are. I suppose MSN Search thinks they're still competing with Google too. Oh...

posted by rhm

the max <3 zune parts are the ones in danger of the marketing slide imo but the man loves his music player and thats totaly fine, but the zune just isnt appealing enough for most people :/ its like win mobile, it could be soo great... but it isnt or atleast its unclear why [and thus, if] its better than the competition. simply saying its great doesnt make it so :/

maybe if max had some zune specials where the awsome features are described [in a non markety way, keeping away from phrases like "next-gen"]? thatd be cool.. max could talk to the dev team and the designers and prove how great the zune is

again, im not saying you've fallen down the marketing hole now, but keep keeping an eye out

@moe

exactly.. "think diffrent"? all macs looks basically the same, and for a long time, all ipods did look exactly the same. how is that "diffrent" one has to wonder.. apple truly is everything they accuse microsoft of beeing..

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posted by Charles

I was really let down by by this video. We're IT pros and developers here, we don't care so much about dirt throwing between corporate MS and Apple companies.

I thought ping was a view of whats going inside of Microsoft. This just isn't that.

posted by Dark_Halmut

Channel 9 has always been more than a community extension of MSDN... But you know this. Implicitly. Nobody tells you what to be interested in. Right? We will do our damn best to offer what you want in addition to what other people want, who may not want for the same things as you.

Is it OK for C9 to evolve? You better believe we will be compatible with the past (Ping and Going Deep and This Week on Channel 9 and 10-4 and random long Charles interviews with orders of magnitude smarter people than himself, etc, can coexist here as here is Channel 9, which is more of a conceptual framework than it is a website or RSS feed or Video or Text post). 

Channel 9 is a way, not only a destination, brothers and sisters.

C

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posted by cycnus

ping back to my blog for those of you outside US http://eugeneblogs.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/using-a-zune-pass-outside-of-usa/ 

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posted by eugene1772

To the point about bias, however, I really do believe in using the best technology for you.  So while the iPhone is not for me, I will never deny its absolutely superior web browsing capabilities.  And I will even admit here in this public forum that I prefer GMail due to its simplicity and integrated chat that many of my friends can often be found using.

I am a technology enthusiast first, a Microsoft employee second, and Charles' friend third.

posted by maxzuck

you stated that the Mac platform patched 67 holes. However you leave out the fact that only 27 of those were actually arbitrary code execution holes.

And you kinda seem to ignore the fact that 10.5.7 was JUST released. 10.5.6 was released in December, 2008. That's 6 months, in which timeframe Windows had 6 monthly updates, and a number of urgent patches, which were out of cycle. 

Now if you do the math, and go by the 14 fixes which you quote, then 6 * 14 = 84.

Now that's ignoring the fact that Apple has to patch things which are bundled with the OS, like flash, for instance. Bugs which the Windows version has too. It's like if Windows update carried Flash updates. In fact, 3 of the bugs in 10.5.7 WAS in flash.

But it's entirely reasonable to argue that it takes too long for Apple to patch things. But here's why: Their whole brand relies on the fact that everything is tested and it's a controlled environment. Apple has their 10.5.x updates, which come out every x months. However, they are then actually tested by developers, making sure that they don't break things.

As for the subscription service: I can download ALL the music I want, from my ISP, at no extra cost on my bill. So hell no if I'm paying 15USD/Month for a thing, which I can get in Denmark anyways.

EDIT: Also, you ignore the fact that Apple's adverts are FUNNY, much unlike Microsoft's. It's like the small guy in the classroom taking the piss on the cool guy in the class, who then tries to be all serious and fail epicly at it

posted by Chadk

it would actually be kinda interesting to hear from the marketing folks at microsfot and how they do what they do. microsoft marketing used to be really bad [hey, it sunk vista, a great os] but now something seems to have changed, atleast a little

posted by aL_

thats how i feel about apple and thats just my oppinion the apple ads are flat out lying and thats not cool..

27 aribitrary code execution flaws is not really "beeing secure" now is it both windows and osx has bugs but a big part of the "apple [marketing] experience" is that there are no bugs and no viruses. there arent any claims like that for windows.. also, office updates are included in windows update and alot of the bug fixes concern office, not windows itself.

secunia lists 94 vulns for vistas entire lifetime. unforunetly they've bundled up all the vulns for all osx versions (934 in total) so i can to an apples to apples [hah] comparison, but still. at the rate osx is going, it wont take long to hit 94

in any case. apple claims osx is secure. it isnt. no os is

@max
dont sweat it

posted by aL_

That was a rollacoster ride!

You guys use way to much volume and stop abusing the poor 9-Guy! It's not a stress doll!

posted by Maddus Mattus

Yet 7% of all holes known in Vista are unpatched. Only 4% have yet to be fixed in OSX.

And if you take a look at the exploit which was in OSX, many of them have to do with third-party software.

posted by Chadk

and again, microsoft doesnt claim their os is problem free. apple does.

posted by aL_

Ad campaign war = combative, Mac vs PC = tired, My Dad is bigger than your Dad = so what! Office 2010 mini-ad thing, why is the camera moving away from the subject (the office logo), to me this infers that you want to get away from Office 2010. Ownership vs subscription, I'm an ancient relic, ownership every time, subscriptions are money down the drain. Tags look like they are behind bars and need freeing from their imprisonment, they also look angry. Recent ad campaigns, BMW the longer versions, links below. Microsoft ads = left brain, Apple = right brain. Microsoft improving in the creative space recently though, needs to be bolder and get out of it's (left brain) comfort zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQaRtgTOa0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zCrpzpV2e0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSl6KIZAsNI

Especially like 'Ticker' and 'Star'. 'See how it feels' = pure art.

Finally, Microsoft should stop being distracted by Apple, each time you mention them, you are giving them free advertising; then people get curious and go investigate.

-> and, relax... All of the above IMHO

posted by The_Saint

posted by maxzuck

for me the only differene that matter abt zune its capability for wireless connection despite its colour i like  the silver

and abt offie 2010 technical preview

it is already been leaked to torrents websites i dont know why is this big ads when it is already been leaked as we heard

anyhow waiting for the technical preview from microsoft website itself

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