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Ping 29: Silverlight & Movies, Company meeting, Tweets, Win7, Viral Vids

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We had the annual company meeting this week and Microsoft was on fire! Here's what people were talking about:



Company Meeting

Silverlight & Hollywood

Windows 7 Tweets!

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  • Tomasz Wisniewskiwisnia Tomasz Wisniewski

    I also love Silverlight. The biggest issue is the versioning in my opinion. There will be to many versions and it will bring confusion to people, different sites will require different versions. I don’t think it’s the best decision.

     

    And I agree with Laura – I’m also not the biggest fan of the Kyle add. But I am a BIG fan of PING! Keep on rocking guys! Smiley

  • Not to be nit-picky, but 1 is not a prime number. 2, which is a prime number was left out.

    BTW, my real name is Kamal, in case you wanna mention it on your next episode. Cool

  • Thanks for answeing the Questions. You don't seem that impressed with the Avatar video Smiley have you watched the web series?

     

    Looking forward to Halo ODST too.

  • I thought the same thing.

  • Allan LindqvistaL_ Kinect ftw

    <rant>

    yeah,  zune is probly great.. i woudnt know since its not available in sweden.. silverlight streaming events is probly also cool ....but again.. not available outside US.. but hey! atelast we got bing right? right?! oops no sorry.. out side the US you only get the much crappier beta version of bing......

     

    bottom line? microsoft only cares about the US market. great. thanks.

    if microsoft is loosing tracktion in the international market, its no more that they deserve.

    </rant>

  • figuerresfiguerres ???

    Silverlight versions... not sure why that would be confusing.

    just like flash, update to the current runtime.

     

  • Paul MestemakerPaulMest Former Ping Co-host

    Bahhh.. two things:

    1) I realized I didn't include "2" shortly after taping the segment... glad you guys caught that.

    2) I somehow did not know that 1 was not a prime number!  This has placed shame on my former title of Captain of the Quizbowl Team.

     

    Kamal, you might get a shout out on the next episode... or maybe I'll just forget Wink

  • I am honored just to get a reply. Smiley

  • Paul, I think you're way off base when it comes to DRM.  "The vast majority of people won't be able to copy..." you said?  True but the vast majority of people don't want to copy and don't like being treated like criminals.  DRM is not transparent to the average user.  It only hurts the honest customer and it needs to be set aside, not embraced.

  • Paul just needs a bad DRM experience. He does not own a laptop or an mp3 portable device. Who knows if he actually has a computer?

     

    If one wanted to stream some DRM content to his 360 how easy would that be? If he bought a DRM video in iTunes or Zune and tried to stream it, how would he?

     

    If one wanted to switch from an iPod to a Zune, but had a whole collection of DRM videos and music, how would one do that? Vise versa, how?

     

    DRM traps the consumer. One is not free to do whatever one wants with their bought content. The proliferation of music and video piracy will continue so long as DRM exists.

     

    Concerts and DVD sets are the only way I am willing to give money to the entertainment market. DRM should be avoided at all costs. It creates many support headaches from family and friends...

     

    "My music wont play anymore...." turns out playsforsure had died ... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-9833174-27.html

     

    Music services come and go. URGE came and went.

  • Klas.BCapitan the sweed!

    @al_ hey we got spotify! They don't!

  • Yet...

     

    http://crenk.com/spotify-to-enter-the-usa-market-very-soon/

     

    Jas

  • Paul MestemakerPaulMest Former Ping Co-host

    Hey John, thanks for the comment...

     

    DRM is a tricky area.  DRM has its use, but can be implemented in a way that is annoying to honest consumers.  I would agree people don't like to be treated like criminals.  But not everybody feels like a criminal just because something is DRMed.  DRM is necessary because not everybody is completely honest and unless there are ways to enforce licenses, certain business models wouldn't work.  For example, if a video rental store did not charge late fees, many people would just keep the DVDs forever.  Companies like Netflix figured out a way around this by charging a subscription fee.  This way you're incented to return the disk as fast as possible so you can make the most out of your monthly investment.  Both of these models work because there are physical goods that must be exchanged.

     

    In a digital world, content producers need to have assurances that their content is not easily copied... otherwise the business model breaks down and they do not get a return on their investment.  DRM enables things like the Zune music subscription service.  My friends who have it, love it.  They don't feel like criminals.  There's no way a content producer would allow that without some type of DRM attached it.  So my point is that DRM has its uses, does not make everybody feel like a criminal, and I would like to think that I'm not "way off base" Wink

     

    -Paul

  • Paul MestemakerPaulMest Former Ping Co-host

    I agree, I have not personally had a seriously bad DRM experience.  I don't own a portable MP3 device, though I test drove a Zune before they came out.  I don't own a personal laptop, but I do have one for work.  And I just bought my first personal desktop in 9 years (I build 'em to last Wink).

     

    If I wanted to stream content to my XBox 360, I would only get upset if the content I purchased was supposed to work on XBox and it doesn't.  I have never bought anything on iTunes.  I bought a subscription to Netflix because I knew that they were going to start streaming to XBox.  Though, having the Watch Instantly on my laptop was worth the $15/month on its own.  I cancelled my cable subscription.

     

    re: Switching from iPod to Zune

    This is all outlined in the contract you have when you buy into a DRM system.  If you don't like the terms of the license, DON'T BUY IT!  Buy your content in a portable format elsewhere.

     

    DRM does not trap the consumer.  DRM enforces the contract you have with the content producers.  The consumer has the ability to leave at any time... in the examples you cite, they are incented to stay because of their existing investment, but nothing forces them to stay.  Netflix uses DRM, but I do not feel trapped.

     

    "The proliferation of music and video piracy will continue so long as DRM exists."

    This is true... but I would submit that the proliferation of music and video piracy will continue NO MATTER WHAT.  There will always be pirates out there, regardless of DRM's existence.

     

    If DRMed content can no longer be played because a business goes under, that would be a bad thing.  I believe those PlaysForSure devices can still play the music that was purchased, but newer versions of those devices are practically non-existant.

     

    After writing these two posts, it seems like people don't like DRM when they want to own something.  My whole position is based on thinking that if something is DRMed, you are basically renting or leasing it.  You do not own it, the content producers own it and they are giving you certain rights to access it.  Think of a concert... you pay to get in to watch it once.  You do not pay to watch it, then own it for on-demand viewing later.  If you want to own something, buy into a system that gives you those rights.  For me, I'm content with the DRMed content I get from Netflix... and I'll be fine watching streaming DRMed content for the Olympics or the NFL.  It's a service that is very cheap to me and enabled by DRM.  But there's no way I'd buy a DRMed song from iTunes because I know there is too much pain associated with it.

  • Allan LindqvistaL_ Kinect ftw

    thats true Smiley

     

    now that they released xna game studio for zune hd it hurts a little more that microsoft doesnt want to sell me one.. :/ 

     

    @DRM

    imo drm only gets in the way of legit consumers.. ive actually downloaded cracks that i actually own because i hate digging for a dvd just beacuse i want to play a game.. digital disrubution is awsome and steam rules this market, games for windows is ajoke in comparison... microsoft could do sooo much better in that area..

  • *** Deleted due to website crash Smiley ***

  • Paul, All the songs I buy on iTunes are DRM free (It's known as iTunes +) And within iTunes software, you can create an MP3 format of the songs too. (Or use a third party tool to leaglly convert to MP3)

     

    The worst DRM comes with PC games software, it trys to control your PC, stopping you from running other programs. Mass Effect on the PC partially crashed for me, the only way I could kill it was a hard re-boot as the DRM software stopped me from killing the process.

     

    I'm glad more games companies are dropping this kind of thing now.

     

    Jas

  • I think the Amazon Music store can attribute their success to their DRM free stance. I am sure if everything were DRM free, that piracy would still exist. I think it would be less though. I think DRM hurts more than it helps. Developing DRM is not free, I am sure in total that DRM development is in the 10s of millions (across all industries, WGA, plays for sure, apple's drm, safedisk ...etc).

     

    In the end, I would not be surprised if companies would save money if all DRM were dropped. At least in video and music sales. If there were a source of 1080p video that was DRM free , commericial free and had a really fat pipe, that'd be extremely popular.

     

    I am not sure if I agree with the lease mentallity. I own the games I buy. I do not lease or rent them. I own the music I buy. Why are there used record and cd shops? Why are there used game shops? I buy a license to Windows, I do not lease it.

     

    If DRM truly is leasing, they should advertise it as such. It would be interesting to see how the consumer woulrd react.

     

    "Lease TV shows off Zune Marketplace". "Lease a copy of Windows 7 this fall".

     

     

  • Paul,

     

    You fighting social networking is a bit of an uphill battle Smiley. I know its sometimes hard to see the value in something you dont use yourself but having teams like Windows 7 go on Twitter and make a best effort to try and answer questions will build a lot of respect in the most vocal of the masses.

     

    For example the most feedback I am getting right now with my ConnectedShow.com podcast is through Twitter, i am VERY happy to have this as a way people can reach me. Facebook. email, reply blog posts, just dont seem to have as much weight.

     

    In the end of the day, when you build a community around a product its a big win.

  • Paul MestemakerPaulMest Former Ping Co-host

    I love building communities around a product.  I was heavily involved in the SQL Server communities.  What I am against, is having fragmented communities all over the place and multiple online identities.  It would also be annoying if something like this was not properly staffed and it would be a community presence without anybody keeping up with the influx of tweets.

     

    Personally, I'd have strongly preferred Twitter and Facebook to merge.  Thankfully, there are apps that link the two together now.  So I will probably join Twitter here pretty soon.

     

    I very much enjoy Facebook since it is based on people's real identities vs. MySpace which seems to be largely based on nothing real.  If any company tried to headhunt me, Facebook would probably be the only one that would have had a chance.

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