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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Ever wonder what would happen if you happened upon&nbsp;<a href="http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/people/simonpj/" target="_blank"><strong>Simon Peyton-Jones</strong></a>, author of the <strong>Glasgow Haskell Compiler</strong> (GHC) and a key contributor to the <a href="http://haskell.org" target="_blank"><strong>Haskell</strong></a> functional programming language,&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://www.chalmers.se/cse/EN/people/hughes-john" target="_blank"><strong>John Hughes</strong></a>, fellow Haskellite, computer scientist, creator&nbsp;of <a href="http://software.legiasoft.com/quickcheck/" target="_blank"><strong>QuickCheck</strong></a>, and author of the landmark paper, &quot;<a href="http://www.cse.chalmers.se/~rjmh/Papers/whyfp.html" target="_blank"><strong>Why Functional Programming Matters</strong></a>,&quot; sitting on a park&nbsp; bench, in the rain, right&nbsp;next to Sydney's iconic opera house? Well, let's find out, shall we?</p><p>Simon and John have been friends for many years and studied mathematics together at Trinity College Cambridge. What were they like as young men? As students? What was Simon's issue with wearing shoes, anyway? It's always wonderful to learn about the humans behind the software, the science. This is classic C9. Yes, it's raining on us as we converse, but the view is spectacular with Sydney's Opera House behind us. It's funny how wet we were by the end of this interview, but the rain was refreshing—just&nbsp;like the conversation.<br><br><strong>Thank you,</strong> <strong>Simon and John,</strong> for the <em>great</em> conversation, for being so comfortable in the rain, and for taking the random questions in stride. You're true gentlemen.&nbsp;Keep pushing the envelope!</p><p><strong>Happy holidays from Channel 9</strong> wherever you are and whatever, if anything, you're celebrating!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The <a href="http://yowaustralia.com.au/YOW2011/general/about.html" target="_blank"><strong>YOW! Developer Conference</strong></a> offers outstanding opportunities to learn more about the latest practices, technologies, and methodologies for building innovative software solutions as well as the chance to meet and network with international software experts and other talented developers in Australia. Thanks to <strong>Dave Thomas</strong> and the event's <em>excellent</em> staff—<strong>Mary Catherine (MC), Lisa, Aino, Melissa</strong>, and others—for inviting me to this <em>excellent</em> pure developer event and thanks to all of the speakers for letting me take some of their time to record conversations for Channel 9. If you live in Australia, or aren't too far away, or just like to travel (who doesn't?), then you need to go to this yearly event. It's outstanding. There are many great developers down under. That's for sure. The speakers are exceptional—Dave and team set a high bar!</p> <img src="http://m.webtrends.com/dcs1wotjh10000w0irc493s0e_6x1g/njs.gif?dcssip=channel9.msdn.com&dcsuri=http://channel9.msdn.com/Tags/simon+peyton-jones/RSS&WT.dl=0&WT.entryid=Entry:RSSView:4f6680a9e0124a3e976b9fba000dc435">]]></description>
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      <itunes:summary>Ever wonder what would happen if you happened upon&amp;nbsp;Simon Peyton-Jones, author of the Glasgow Haskell Compiler (GHC) and a key contributor to the Haskell functional programming language,&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;John Hughes, fellow Haskellite, computer scientist, creator&amp;nbsp;of QuickCheck, and author of the landmark paper, &amp;quot;Why Functional Programming Matters,&amp;quot; sitting on a park&amp;nbsp; bench, in the rain, right&amp;nbsp;next to Sydney&#39;s iconic opera house? Well, let&#39;s find out, shall we? Simon and John have been friends for many years and studied mathematics together at Trinity College Cambridge. What were they like as young men? As students? What was Simon&#39;s issue with wearing shoes, anyway? It&#39;s always wonderful to learn about the humans behind the software, the science. This is classic C9. Yes, it&#39;s raining on us as we converse, but the view is spectacular with Sydney&#39;s Opera House behind us. It&#39;s funny how wet we were by the end of this interview, but the rain was refreshing—just&amp;nbsp;like the conversation.Thank you, Simon and John, for the great conversation, for being so comfortable in the rain, and for taking the random questions in stride. You&#39;re true gentlemen.&amp;nbsp;Keep pushing the envelope! Happy holidays from Channel 9 wherever you are and whatever, if anything, you&#39;re celebrating! &amp;nbsp; The YOW! Developer Conference offers outstanding opportunities to learn more about the latest practices, technologies, and methodologies for building innovative software solutions as well as the chance to meet and network with international software experts and other talented developers in Australia. Thanks to Dave Thomas and the event&#39;s excellent staff—Mary Catherine (MC), Lisa, Aino, Melissa, and others—for inviting me to this excellent pure developer event and thanks to all of the speakers for letting me take some of their time to record conversations for Channel 9. If you live in Australia, or aren&#39;t too far away, or just like to travel (who doesn&#39;t?), then you need t</itunes:summary>
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      <title>YOW! 2011: Simon Peyton-Jones - Closer to Nirvana</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>I caught up with <a href="http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/people/simonpj/" target="_blank"><strong>Simon Peyton-Jones</strong></a>, author of the <strong>Glasgow Haskell Compiler</strong> (GHC) and a key contributor to the <a href="http://haskell.org" target="_blank"><strong>Haskell</strong></a> functional programming language, at <a href="http://yowaustralia.com.au/" target="_blank"><strong>YOW! 2011</strong></a>. Simon&nbsp;is a&nbsp;pure functional guy.&nbsp;That said, he's OK with side effects as long as you&nbsp;can&nbsp;control them (so, monads&nbsp;are great!). <img src='http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/content/images/emoticons/emotion-1.gif?v=c9' alt='Smiley' /><br><br>Simon&nbsp;works at Microsoft as a&nbsp;research scientist in MSR. Simon's work on Haskell is legendary and the language has seen an increase in usage over the years and a steady evolution toward being not only a general purpose, strongly-typed functional programming language, but also a practical one. No longer is Haskell suited only for academic experimentation (though this continues to be an important aspect of the language—in fact, it's one of the very effective ways the language is pushed forward). As Simon says, Haskell is like a laboratory in which to test new functional ideas and&nbsp;novel language constructs.&nbsp;<br><br>One of the very interesting aspects of Haskell is how the surface language (so, the syntax you write) is boiled down to a very small intermediate language, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_F" target="_blank"><strong>System F</strong></a>. Simon spends a nice chunk of time in this conversation explaining this. It's a rather excellent approach. We only touch on <strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C--" target="_blank">C--</a>,</strong> but I have a feeling I'll be interviewing Simon again in the future.<br><br>How has the language evolved over the years? What's Simon working on these days (besides evolving Haskell, he's helping to make general purpose computing education&nbsp;for the masses <em>much</em> better!)? What's next? What are the big problems he and others are tackling with respect to moving Haskell forward? As always, it's a real pleasure to converse with and learn from Simon. His passion, enthusiasm, and intelligence are infectious (well, maybe not the intelligence part—you're born with the smarts you have. So, I didn't get smarter by talking with Simon, but I sure learned a lot!). Very few people are able to explain complex concepts in ways mere mortals can understand and assimilate. Simon is one of these people.</p><p>(<a href="http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Simon-Peyton-Jones-Towards-a-Programming-Language-Nirvana" target="_blank">Here's the video</a> referenced at the beginning of this conversation.) <br><br><a href="http://yowaustralia.com.au/YOW2011/general/details.html?speakerId=2208" target="_blank">Simon's YOW! speaker page</a><br><br>Tune in. Enjoy. Learn.<br><br><br>The <a href="http://www.yowconference.com.au/" target="_blank"><strong>YOW! Developer Conference</strong></a> offers outstanding opportunities to learn more about the latest practices, technologies, and methodologies for building innovative software solutions as well as the chance to meet and network with international software experts and other talented developers in Australia. Thanks to <strong>Dave Thomas</strong> and the event's <em>excellent</em> staff - <strong>Mary Catherine (MC), Lisa, Aino, Melissa</strong>, and&nbsp;others -&nbsp;for inviting me to this <em>excellent</em> pure developer event and thanks to all of the speakers for letting me take some of their time to record conversations for Channel 9. If you live in Australia, or aren't too far away, or just like to travel (who doesn't?), then you need to go to this yearly event. It's outstanding. There are many great developers down under. That's for sure. The speakers are exceptional—Dave and team set a high bar!</p> <img src="http://m.webtrends.com/dcs1wotjh10000w0irc493s0e_6x1g/njs.gif?dcssip=channel9.msdn.com&dcsuri=http://channel9.msdn.com/Tags/simon+peyton-jones/RSS&WT.dl=0&WT.entryid=Entry:RSSView:7397a7549f91461bbba19fb8015a244d">]]></description>
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      <itunes:summary>I caught up with Simon Peyton-Jones, author of the Glasgow Haskell Compiler (GHC) and a key contributor to the Haskell functional programming language, at YOW! 2011. Simon&amp;nbsp;is a&amp;nbsp;pure functional guy.&amp;nbsp;That said, he&#39;s OK with side effects as long as you&amp;nbsp;can&amp;nbsp;control them (so, monads&amp;nbsp;are great!). Simon&amp;nbsp;works at Microsoft as a&amp;nbsp;research scientist in MSR. Simon&#39;s work on Haskell is legendary and the language has seen an increase in usage over the years and a steady evolution toward being not only a general purpose, strongly-typed functional programming language, but also a practical one. No longer is Haskell suited only for academic experimentation (though this continues to be an important aspect of the language—in fact, it&#39;s one of the very effective ways the language is pushed forward). As Simon says, Haskell is like a laboratory in which to test new functional ideas and&amp;nbsp;novel language constructs.&amp;nbsp;One of the very interesting aspects of Haskell is how the surface language (so, the syntax you write) is boiled down to a very small intermediate language, System F. Simon spends a nice chunk of time in this conversation explaining this. It&#39;s a rather excellent approach. We only touch on C--, but I have a feeling I&#39;ll be interviewing Simon again in the future.How has the language evolved over the years? What&#39;s Simon working on these days (besides evolving Haskell, he&#39;s helping to make general purpose computing education&amp;nbsp;for the masses much better!)? What&#39;s next? What are the big problems he and others are tackling with respect to moving Haskell forward? As always, it&#39;s a real pleasure to converse with and learn from Simon. His passion, enthusiasm, and intelligence are infectious (well, maybe not the intelligence part—you&#39;re born with the smarts you have. So, I didn&#39;t get smarter by talking with Simon, but I sure learned a lot!). Very few people are able to explain complex concepts in ways mere mortals can understand and assim</itunes:summary>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>While in Cambridge, England recently for the <a href="http://research.microsoft.com/aboutmsr/labs/cambridge/default.aspx"><br>MSR Cambridge&nbsp;</a>10 year anniversary and <a href="http://research.microsoft.com/ero/icd/phd/2007SummerSchool/default.aspx"><br>MSR Cambridge PhD Summer School</a> (stay tuned for coverage on this on Channel 8...) I caught up with<br><a href="http://research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/">Simon Peyton-Jones</a>, <a href="http://research.microsoft.com/~emeijer/"><br>Erik Meijer</a> and, <em>very briefly (too briefly)</em>, <a href="http://research.microsoft.com/lampson/"><br>Butler Lampson</a> to talk about what's going on inside Simon's head right now with respect to general purpose programming language evolution.<br><br><br>Trust me, it's most interesting and programmers should be excited about the thoughts in Simon's head these days. Join us for a really brief conversation (I think this is my shortest interview in the 3&#43; years I've been taking part in conversations here on Channel<br>9) with some of programming language design's best and brightest. Here, Simon clues us in to the nirvana of programming languages: Safe&nbsp;<em>and</em> Useful (effectful). Better just to listen in to Simon's excellent and succinct explanation of the holy grail<br>of general purpose programming languages.<br><br>Enjoy!<br><br>PS I will be interviewing Butler Lampson sometime in the future (when he's in Redmond). He's a rather prominent computer scientist with a rich history in making<br><a href="http://research.microsoft.com/lampson/Systems.html">systems</a> that many of us rely on for a number of things...</p> <img src="http://m.webtrends.com/dcs1wotjh10000w0irc493s0e_6x1g/njs.gif?dcssip=channel9.msdn.com&dcsuri=http://channel9.msdn.com/Tags/simon+peyton-jones/RSS&WT.dl=0&WT.entryid=Entry:RSSView:4d9c31051a81440787309dea00cfab78">]]></description>
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      <itunes:summary>While in Cambridge, England recently for the MSR Cambridge&amp;nbsp;10 year anniversary and MSR Cambridge PhD Summer School (stay tuned for coverage on this on Channel 8...) I caught up withSimon Peyton-Jones, Erik Meijer and, very briefly (too briefly), Butler Lampson to talk about what&#39;s going on inside Simon&#39;s head right now with respect to general purpose programming language evolution.Trust me, it&#39;s most interesting and programmers should be excited about the thoughts in Simon&#39;s head these days. Join us for a really brief conversation (I think this is my shortest interview in the 3&amp;#43; years I&#39;ve been taking part in conversations here on Channel9) with some of programming language design&#39;s best and brightest. Here, Simon clues us in to the nirvana of programming languages: Safe&amp;nbsp;and Useful (effectful). Better just to listen in to Simon&#39;s excellent and succinct explanation of the holy grailof general purpose programming languages.Enjoy!PS I will be interviewing Butler Lampson sometime in the future (when he&#39;s in Redmond). He&#39;s a rather prominent computer scientist with a rich history in makingsystems that many of us rely on for a number of things... </itunes:summary>
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