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Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

smadavid — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:50:50 GMT

samdruk wrote:
Come to PDC, talk DAT312.

I'll be there, looking forward to it!

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

mbazzoni — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:45:32 GMT

Continuing to post on my Blog about the testing I have done so far...got a comment that yesterday I didn't put enough data in my Blog. Well, everyone tests at a different pace... http:\\bazzoni.blogspot.com

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

eddwo — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:59:40 GMT

I'm interested in hearing how the integration will work too.

Will the Vista virtual folders, and the associated UI elements for searching and filtering, that currently run off Windows Desktop Search be repurposed to become WinFS virtual folders, and WinFS searching and filtering?

Can this be done cleanly? Or will WinFS just be a "developer framework" that is usable by other applications/ is an extension to the shell namespace, but does not really become part of the overal system until Blackcomb.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Tom Servo — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:14:56 GMT

Another question, not sure if you know or are allowed to talk about it, but how's the post-release Vista integration going to work? Is the Vista shell team actively working with you and preparing the shell to have WinFS plugged in, or will it be an extension plus glue code running in background like that dllhost instance in the beta 1 bits on XP?

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:54:05 GMT

smadavid wrote:

If they solve the OR Mapping problem for us, and we have a single API that works for both SQL Server and WinFS, that would be huge.

We hope so! You get it- and this is more of what we will be talking about at the PDC, and subsequent Betas.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

samdruk — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:27:49 GMT

ObjectSpaces is not part of the beta. We'll have more to say about OS, WinFS programming and the future of ADO.NET at the PDC.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

samdruk — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:25:58 GMT

Come to PDC, talk DAT312.

smadavid wrote:

If they solve the OR Mapping problem for us, and we have a single API that works for both SQL Server and WinFS, that would be huge.

I think you're right, but I'm biased.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

pilotbob — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:47:47 GMT

Ok,

So can someone on the WinFS team tell us what the state of Object Spaces is in the beta. It was briefly mentioned in the video but no specific reference was made to it.

Is the ObjectSpaces name space in the beta? If not when will it be?

BOb

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

scobleizer — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:51:07 GMT

NetRyder wrote:
Can't wait to check out the video later tonight!

The video is now posted!

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

NetRyder — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:43:00 GMT

Minh wrote:
It's the under-promise-over-deliver philosophy to win over customers. Well, it works!

I agree. :D
Can't wait to check out the video later tonight!

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

mbazzoni — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:37:20 GMT

Just installed and I am getting my feet wet. I did a few printscreens of the install and the results and posted them on my blog: http://bazzoni.blogspot.com/ Good Job Microsoft...now I will keep working with it to make sure it works.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Andy H — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:23:25 GMT

:O WinFS lives ? :D

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

vzczc — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:10:33 GMT

This is great news, looking forward to the video and will definititively be looking at this ASAP.

Seems like someone at MS has been working very, very hard to get this out.

A shame that the PDC sold out, It will be the most exciting ever. I was finally granted permission and funding to go (when I checked the night before there it was not sold out), alas, it was not to be.

Way to go Microsoft. I am buying...

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Tom Servo — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:03:37 GMT

Well, Rizzo is like the boss of the SQL Server team.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Andre Da Costa — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:02:16 GMT

Tom Servo wrote:
Andre, read the blog Scoble linked.

Well, we both could be wrong, its still too early to determine distribution for it.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Tom Servo — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:01:03 GMT

I take it the current "visual" performance problems when using the explorer is that the explorer plugin makeshift code, right? And oh, it seems to work fine on Win2k3, though it somehow doesn't want to promote my Office documents.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

smadavid — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:54:40 GMT

Just ran across a post on the WinFS blog that is very intriquing... if this is true then I am very excited about the future of both WinFS and ADO.NET:

"Another piece of feedback was concerns over the WinFS api’s being a different data access pattern than our existing managed code data access APIs. Further, that our APIs were not aligned with broader data platform needs like OR mapping. This was a big one, and as you explore the SDK and the APIs, you will see the beginnings of how we will be addressing this. We are in the process of building-out the next version of ADO.NET to have new features that provide a data model, object-relational mapping, and flexible query infrastructure. The new data model is about entities, and the WinFS data model of Item types is built on that model. Looking through our SDK and code samples you will see how Items are composed of underlying entities. OR mapping is a big requirement - WinFS is a very prescribed mapping (defining a type in WinFS generates both the underlying storage schema and the partial class to program to that type)."

If they solve the OR Mapping problem for us, and we have a single API that works for both SQL Server and WinFS, that would be huge.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

keeron — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:18:37 GMT

This is awesome news!

I read the earlier threads on Channel9, quickly downloaded the 70odd meg WinFS Beta 1 and installed it on my XP machine (later installed in on the Vista partition as well).

I can see my WinFS share, but don't know what the heck it means and how to add files to it. I guess I better look at the help docs and the samples they have provided.

Can't wait for the demo .... Now would someone "release" another build for Vista :-) and suprize us again!

- Keeron

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Tom Servo — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:07:13 GMT

Andre, read the blog Scoble linked.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Andre Da Costa — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:57:19 GMT

This is really good progress for the WinFS and it definitely looks like it will actually make it into Vista RTM. They are even backporting it to XP and probably Server 2k3.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Andre Da Costa — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:56:43 GMT

This is really good progress for the WinFS and it definitely looks like it will actually make it into Vista RTM. Dang, they are even backporting it to XP and probably Server 2k3.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Fernik — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:55:16 GMT

Cool to see some news about WinFS, I will be satisfied if it supports WinXP SP2 and Server 2003 SP1 with the objectspaces persistence model. However not all is clean, for instance:

WinFS means Windows File System or Windows Future Storage?

Is WinFS the final name or it will be rebranded Windows Storage Foundation or something similar?

I will appreciate some answer to this questions, specially from Microsoft.

Fernik

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Tom Servo — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:54:47 GMT

Their blog says beta release for Vista final.

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

rjdohnert — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:46:24 GMT

Yes! Does this mean, there is a chance it will be released with the client?

Re: WinFS Beta 1 Released (video soon to come to Channel 9)

Tom Servo — Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:35:16 GMT

OOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooOOOO!!!!

That's why you didn't want to put the video online ASAP.

--edit: MSDN only. I hate you, Microsoft.