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Carlos Luna

If you consider yourself a Linux fan, I’m pretty sure C9 would welcome your comments on your experience with both Linux and Windows. I personally like to read stuff on what's going on with Linux, but let’s not forget that this is a MS community. I see everyday this community is growing and growing and not necessary with Windows fans. I see Linux-specific thread being created all the time. It is getting really annoying to see what’s happening.

I’m a MS fan and nothing will change that. I know you Linux guys will fire me back with your usual ‘oh, another MS zombie’ comment, but you know what? It all comes down that if zombie is the new way of saying ‘I love something’ then there you have it.

Carlos Luna

No, I’m saying you guys go to your own communities and do own discussions there. Most of us here are not interested in most of the Linux stuff you guys say in here.

IRenderable
Pi

Carlos Luna wrote:
No, I’m saying you guys go to your own communities and do own discussions there. Most of us here are not interested in most of the Linux stuff you guys say in here.

I agree. I use Linux alot but I talk about Linux on linux forums and linux newsgroups. Not Channel9, this place is about Microsoft.

Nata1
.Search - Google Appliance killer

on the free for all over at www.asp.net, this kind of thing would never happen. When there are threads that have nothing to do with Microsoft technologies they just delete them. I'm dissapointed more of the irrelevant threads don't get deleted. If I wanted to read about Linux, I would go to a Linux forum. If I want to talk about windows I wouldn't go to a linux forum.

Posting linux threads (note: not posting linux stuff to a windows thread) only serves one purpose - Trolling, and those threads should be deleted so this place doesn't become a total annoying and irrelevant bore.

Carlos Luna

Orbit86 wrote:

okay well when Scoble posts the videos of Google I will tell him thats not about Microsoft.. You can't have it both ways..

Can't eat your cake too..

I haven't seen that video and I'm pretty sure Scoble had a good reason for showing that video. But you're missing my point; I'm not saying Linux fans aren't welcome here. I'm just saying that this community is becoming more Linux-centric because of the increasing Linux fans that have joint us and now are posting their stuff here like this their home. The number of linux posts here is getting huge.

andokai

I disagree. While thread hijacking or the creation of posts directed at one person are annoying it's not just the linux fans that are guilty of it. Neither do I think all linux fans are guilty of it.

I'm all for rational conversation with people regardless of their affiliations so long as it remains rational.

I doubt Microsoft created this site just so a bunch of blinkered fans would tell them they are great. What would be the point of that? Microsoft make some great software and are lagging behind in some areas too. The way I see it is that C9 is a place to discuss both, the things you like and the things you'd like to see improve. The only way to get a realistic conversation is to hear from people of all persuasions.

Now I don't want to be told each time that I'm an idiot for using Windows or anything but if Linux offers something that's pertinent to the discussion then I'd like to see it mentioned provided it's done so in a reasonable fashion.

Perhaps the solution is to give thread creators the ability to kick unhelpful commenters out of their threads?

Detroit Muscle
Wii!

Channel 9 isn't a Windows forum.
Channel 9 isn't a GNU/Linux forum.

Channel 9 is a technology forum.

Skeeterbug

Orbit86 wrote:
what you are basically saying is.."my way, my software is right but you guys can go over there and play with your thumbs because my opinion is better".

He never said his way of software was right. He was stating this is a Microsoft forum and you are posting off topic. Since you can't comprehend something so simple, let’s try out a different example! Lets say you are an admin of a model AIRPLANE forum, and some (I need to watch my language) comes in and keeps asking questions about model BOATS. If your forum had a model BOATS section, you would move the thread to that forum. If not, you would delete it, because after all, it's a model AIRPLANES forum. Does this mean the big bad admin hates model boats? No! The admin would be acting in the best interest of the community that signed up to talk about model AIRPLANES. Does the hobby scenario work out better for you? Do you understand now? I am sure you are still confused, and will probably post some dumb (I need to watch my language) response that has little to do with anything that I posted.This is a Microsoft community, please post your linux comments at:http://forums.gentoo.orgI post my World of Warcraft comments at:http://forums.worldofwarcraft.comSee the trend?

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Orbit86 wrote:
nice andokai, it's basically his opinion is better and everyone else can go to other websites. It's when people shut your opinion out and not let it get heard just because it's a view that they don't want to hear.

Hmm that's funny, that sounds like slashdot.

Carlos Luna

andokai wrote:
The way I see it is that C9 is a place to discuss both, the things you like and the things you'd like to see improve. The only way to get a realistic conversation is to hear from people of all persuasions.

I agree with that part you said there. But still missing my point. Just look at some of the threads here. Beer, any news on Fedora Core 5? In my opinion, this kind of discussion should be taken to a different community.

mVPstar
I'm white because I smelt an onion.

Detroit Muscle wrote:
Channel 9 isn't a Windows forum.
Channel 9 isn't a GNU/Linux forum.

Channel 9 is a technology forum.

Agreed.

Linux discussions imo are fine here. I like to read about Linux.
Although, I can not say that I have a pleasant time reading posts about Linux here on Channel9.

Because often a post that has absolutely nothing to do with Linux then digresses into another classic "Linux is better than Microsoft" debate, and then furthermore results in a "M$ makes things so hard, all I have to do is open up command line, yum this, yum that, and install and there we go! A working program. M$ sux0rs.", nothing useful really becomes of it.

Due to these often underconstructed debates, I'm usually left with more of "Wow, Linux is a joke." afterthoughts.

Perhaps because this is an MS affiliated site that it presents a lot of tension for those who are not so much of a fan of MS bling. Therefore, these individuals then come and debate using a "we must win this debate at all costs" sort of paragadim.

I don't know. If that's it, then honestly, take the time to create arguments that have some base to them instead of just forming unconstructive arguments.

My $0.46 cents.

mVPstar

mVPstar
I'm white because I smelt an onion.

Carlos Luna wrote:

I agree with that part you said there. But still missing my point. Just look at some of the threads here. Beer, any news on Fedora Core 5? In my opinion, this kind of discussion should be taken to a different community.

That's just an irritating type of thread. The title prompts for a "one on one" discussion. This is a forum, not a private IM hosting service (though I wish C9 did have a private IM service so we can talk to buddies. PM is good).

Forums are meant for people (more than 2) to discuss something in a public manner. A one on one conversation doesn't fit this criteria. Granted others are allowed to speak in said threads, but if you didn't intend on others discussing a topic with you and your friend, then you should really just email them, call them, IM them, or do any other private form of communication.

Oh and Charles. I assume you're hovering over the Thread.Lock function right about now. Smiley

Do you think you or adam can add a PM function to the boards so that you can Private Message certain people?

Thanks!

mVPstar

andokai

Carlos Luna wrote:
I agree with that part you said there. But still missing my point. Just look at some of the threads here. Beer, any news on Fedora Core 5? In my opinion, this kind of discussion should be taken to a different community.

And if you read the first line of my post I mentioned that very same thing. Just because I don't condemn his choices doesn't mean I condone his behaviour. Though it has little to do with his OS choice. Those kinds of threads don't belong in any community.

Yggdrasil
Pour me a cab, 'cause I can't drink no more.

The problem is not with Linux, nor Linux fans, not Linux fanatics. Not with MS, or MS fanboys, or MS bashers, or anything.

The problem is PEOPLE. Specific people who behave like jerks. Specific people who hide behind various excuses for WHY they behave like jerks. That's the whole problem.

Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.

Yggdrasil wrote:
The problem is not with Linux, nor Linux fans, not Linux fanatics. Not with MS, or MS fanboys, or MS bashers, or anything.

The problem is PEOPLE. Specific people who behave like jerks. Specific people who hide behind various excuses for WHY they behave like jerks. That's the whole problem.

Indeed.

scobleizer
I'm the video guy

I'm cool with the Linux discussions here. Why? Because I believe our products stand up well against those from our competitors and it serves our customers well to know the choices that are available to them.

I have videos from Amazon and Google. Hopefully we can get those both up soon.

Skeeterbug

Orbit86 wrote:

Skeeterbug wrote:

Orbit86 wrote: what you are basically saying is.."my way, my software is right but you guys can go over there and play with your thumbs because my opinion is better".

He never said his way of software was right. He was stating this is a Microsoft forum and you are posting off topic. Since you can't comprehend something so simple, let’s try out a different example! Lets say you are an admin of a model AIRPLANE forum, and some (I need to watch my language) comes in and keeps asking questions about model BOATS. If your forum had a model BOATS section, you would move the thread to that forum. If not, you would delete it, because after all, it's a model AIRPLANES forum. Does this mean the big bad admin hates model boats? No! The admin would be acting in the best interest of the community that signed up to talk about model AIRPLANES. Does the hobby scenario work out better for you? Do you understand now? I am sure you are still confused, and will probably post some dumb (I need to watch my language) response that has little to do with anything that I posted.This is a Microsoft community, please post your linux comments at:http://forums.gentoo.orgI post my World of Warcraft comments at:http://forums.worldofwarcraft.comSee the trend?

right.. Linux,Windows are Operating Systems..both apples.. not Boats and Airplanes....

Scoble himself, and alot of MS employees use FireFox,Google.

"Does the hobby scenario work out better for you? Do you understand now? I am sure you are still confused, and will probably post some dumb (I need to watch my language) response that has little to do with anything that I posted."

Don't Insult my intelligence.

I am not insulting your intelligence. In what post(s) have you made an intelligent response?

I was spelling things out for you, and once again, you don't understand. Of course Windows and Linux are operating systems. Guess what? MODEL boats and MODEL airplanes are still MODELS. Are you a complete moron?

Let's break down your sentence as well "Don't Insult my intelligence."

Do you know How To capitalize Properly or Do you just Randomly hit Shift or Caps lock While you Type?

What was I insulting? Obviously not ... nevermind!

Erisan

scobleizer wrote:
I'm cool with the Linux discussions here. Why? Because I believe our products stand up well against those from our competitors and it serves our customers well to know the choices that are available to them.

Hmm, Linux discussion here in Channel 9 isn't valuable for customers. It's just couple of users non-technical confabulation.

Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.

I like Linux.

I think an important part of any transparency strategy must involve competitors.

I believe Channel9 would be lessened if we never mentioned Linux here.

However, simply because I think Linux is an appropiate subject does not mean I appreciate the method in which it is being discussed. Or the guise under which it plays a role.

My concern is not with Linux, it is with how it is delivered.

wkempf

Erisan wrote:
scobleizer wrote:I'm cool with the Linux discussions here. Why? Because I believe our products stand up well against those from our competitors and it serves our customers well to know the choices that are available to them.

Hmm, Linux discussion here in Channel 9 isn't valuable for customers. It's just couple of users non-technical confabulation.

A lot of the discussions are very valuable to customers. They show the Linux community members in a bad light, which will certainly effect a (potential) customers perception of Microsoft.

Cider
Daze-d & Confused

Erisan wrote:

scobleizer wrote: I'm cool with the Linux discussions here. Why? Because I believe our products stand up well against those from our competitors and it serves our customers well to know the choices that are available to them.

Hmm, Linux discussion here in Channel 9 isn't valuable for customers. It's just couple of users non-technical confabulation.

Completely agree. That's what really annoys me about those two. Linux should be actively talked about, but talked about where it REALLY competes with Windows so that Microsoft has good feedback for their products.

One of the main areas we use Linux is because when designing out enterprise-wide "Managed Desktop", after examining WinPE and associated solutions (imaging software, etc), we found it was lacking in some major areas. So, we ended up creating our own solution and, due to its flexibility in that scale of system, Linux was the obvious choice.

I don't expect Linux to overthrow Microsoft in the next decade or so, and as such I will almost certainly be at some point working in a new environment where there are similar problems to solve. So, it is in my best interests to try and give good feedback so that Microsoft can create a better native solution. At the moment, its a shame because you mention Linux and Beer and co will just jump all over the topic and the point will be lost.

Carlos Luna

Orbit86 wrote:
your wrong..

Linux Discussion here is quite good, you see people talking normal about GCC in the linux thread but it goes flame war when people post saying to leave to another forum. It's not us Linux lovers, it posters coming in and make the situation happen.

I strongly believe Windows and Linux are very important subjects here. In fact, I find it very helpful when both technologies are compared in their core features. I like to know what people think of both sides. The problem here is that the increased number of Linux lovers are creating posts that are totally out of Microsoft technology context. I believe those posts have more meaning elsewhere. I’m not saying to leave to another forum, but rather to provide more meaningful and rational information.

TomasDeml
Run Chiro, Run!

Orbit86 wrote:
says who? posters were asking about GCC 4 while niners kept telling them to leave..

And?

Some people don't like Linux zealots...these zealots think they are higher than everybody else not using Linux and not sharing their belief...

TomasDeml
Run Chiro, Run!

Orbit, you claim you like MS products but at same time you defend Linux zealots and support their anti-MS moods...

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