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LCARS
Hello World!!

From what you have seen so far, how much of an impact do you think Windows Vista will have on the computer industry?

Will it be just another Windows OS?
Another Windows ME? *shudder*
Will it revolutionize how we do things?

Opinions?
Smiley

Erisan

So far I haven't seen any reasons why I should switch my own, my parents', my sisters' Linux desktop machines to Vista.

So far I think it's going to be "just yet another Windows" for me

footballism
Another Paradigm Shift!

Erisan wrote:

So far I think it's going to be "just yet another Windows" for me

As an end user, it's just another plain version of windows, but as a developer, it definitely will revolutionize how applications can be built.

Sheva

Erisan

footballism wrote:

As an end user, it's just another plain version of windows, but as a developer, it definitely will revolutionize how applications can be built.

Yes I'm mainly EJB/J2EE developer and I'm part group which writes Linux drivers and more assembly level stuff for Linux.

I write open source desktop applications just for fun in my free time. But I want write multiplatform applications. I think Vista will be great for Windows application developers, but I'm not sure will Vista give anything to developers who wish to develop multiplatform applications like I do.

footballism
Another Paradigm Shift!

Erisan wrote:

but I'm not sure will Vista give anything to developers who wish to develop multiplatform applications like I do.

Then Windows Communication Foundation can serve you well:p

Sheva

Erisan

footballism wrote:

Then Windows Communication Foundation can serve you well

I really don't think so ... no thanks Smiley

Manip

With all Microsoft's new foundations there is little real point buying Vista.

irascian
Irascible Ian

I'm struggling to find reasons for users to upgrade - particularly when many of the technologies that developers are so excited about can be retro-fitted to XP.

"RSS everywhere" might be a win but I don't think most users know about it or even care about it.

The sexy graphics and flipper gimmicks will undoubtedly help sell a few upgrade copies (visit any Apple store and watch the average punter to see what I mean)

But other than that, I have to admit I'm struggling.

I heard last week that so far only 11% of users upgraded from a previous version of Office to Office 2003, so presumably somebody at Microsoft is looking to make sure that figure's much better in future - both for Office 12 and for Windows Vista.

mVPstar
I'm white because I smelt an onion.

Though, is there ever a big enough reason to upgrade to the next version of OSX or the next version of Linux? Surely the same sort of enhancements each OS upgrade offers can be ported to a previous version of the OS with 3rd party apps or whatever?

It seems like this argument will always be true for any OS since people want different things.

I, on the other hand, will be upgrading to Vista pretty much for everything as I don't feel like buying or downloading 3rd party applications and playing around with XP to have the Vista experience (not that there is an app for everything Vista offers).

mVPstar

TimP

mVPstar wrote:
Though, is there ever a big enough reason to upgrade to the next version of OSX or the next version of Linux?

The difference is Linux upgrades don't cost me a dime. Smiley

ZippyV
Fired Up

irascian wrote:
The sexy graphics and flipper gimmicks will undoubtedly help sell a few upgrade copies (visit any Apple store and watch the average punter to see what I mean)

But we will still be locked into the Microsoft-only themes. It's even worse than XP, this time we will only get 1 Windows theme.

irascian wrote:
I heard last week that so far only 11% of users upgraded from a previous version of Office to Office 2003, so presumably somebody at Microsoft is looking to make sure that figure's much better in future - both for Office 12 and for Windows Vista.

I think Microsoft should go on with their original plan and release Office 12 after Vista. Ms is just creating too many versions of Office with too little improvements in a short timespan.

LCARS
Hello World!!

ZippyV wrote:

irascian wrote: The sexy graphics and flipper gimmicks will undoubtedly help sell a few upgrade copies (visit any Apple store and watch the average punter to see what I mean)

But we will still be locked into the Microsoft-only themes. It's even worse than XP, this time we will only get 1 Windows theme.

Ah, but you can easially avoid this limitation without having third party software running constantly (killing resources.)

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=308905

The program in that link will patch the uxtheme.dll file allowing you to load any theme you want using the windows display properties.

Simply run the program.
Then find a theme you like off the net.
Drag it into the C:\Windows\Resources\Theme Folder
Select it in display properties.

YAY!
No paying money for winblinds or any other program to sit in your memory killing resources.

But still it would be nice if this feature is included in Vista.

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

ZippyV wrote:

irascian wrote: The sexy graphics and flipper gimmicks will undoubtedly help sell a few upgrade copies (visit any Apple store and watch the average punter to see what I mean)

But we will still be locked into the Microsoft-only themes. It's even worse than XP, this time we will only get 1 Windows theme.

Huh? What insider knowledge do you have that indicates there will be no other themes? XP when it was at this phase also included only one theme (the Professional theme) which didn't look anything like the three Luna themes that ended up in the final product. Admittedly I do believe that Aero Glass in 5219 is closer to the final look of Vista than the Professional theme in XP beta 1 was to the final look of XP.

But there might still be additional themes. In fact, I've even seen some MS people hint at that in the beta newsgroups. I was complaining that the non-Glass UI is really ugly and the response from MS was that "there was a lot of work being done on customization and themes".

ZippyV
Fired Up

Sven Groot wrote:
Huh? What insider knowledge do you have that indicates there will be no other themes?

I think I heard about it in one of the Channel9 videos about Aero.

DevilsRejection
addicted to rss

Windows 2000 is to Windows XP as Windows Vista is to Windows Blackcomb

All the amazing kickass will be in the OS after Vista but I'm going to use Vista anyway for the sheer fact that it uses the Windows Server 2003 SP1 core as the starting platform.

If they made Windows 2003 Professional (like win 2k pro) i would be using it now instead of xp sp2

ZippyV
Fired Up

LCARS wrote:
But still it would be nice if this feature is included in Vista.

Exactly, that's why I'm now complaining.

DevilsRejection
addicted to rss

i don't understand you themes people but hey whatever floats your boat.

JChung2006

Microsoft claims that the sexy stuff that makes you want to upgrade isn't in Windows Vista yet. "Wait for Beta 2" seems to be their mantra.

So I'll wait.

leighsword
LeighSword

ZippyV wrote:

irascian wrote:I heard last week that so far only 11% of users upgraded from a previous version of Office to Office 2003, so presumably somebody at Microsoft is looking to make sure that figure's much better in future - both for Office 12 and for Windows Vista.

I think Microsoft should go on with their original plan and release Office 12 after Vista. Ms is just creating too many versions of Office with too little improvements in a short timespan.

i think the primary factor is that the previous version of Office is good enough for current works, such as typing.
to change the work flow of office users for effective their works ,for example, the work flow of sales are different than an accountant, so there are a sale and financial version of Office, but how to put a variety of office versions work together is the key, so the 'netmeeting' concept should be more important to Office in furture.

leighsword
LeighSword

it's better if MS is able to makes the especial work flow as an Office Template (New , Edit, Delete).

Charles
Welcome Change

footballism wrote:

As an end user, it's just another plain version of windows, but as a developer, it definitely will revolutionize how applications can be built.

Sheva

Certainly, the advent of a revolutionary development platform implies potential for revolutionary impact on the end user's computing experience.

It's only going to be as plain as the applications that run on it. The ball really is in our court, my developer friends.

C

andokai

DevilsRejection wrote:
If they made Windows 2003 Professional (like win 2k pro) i would be using it now instead of xp sp2

You should use XP x64. It has the same codebase as 2003. Even has IIS 6.0.

cain

Pfft, I don't understand why people keep saying there won't be any reason to upgrade to Vista. The new driver model will be enough of a reason for me. Add to that the extra security features like UAP and it's a no brainer. Then the autolists, search etc, and many other features are all just icing on the cake.

And for that guy who's still using Java and doing linux driver development in C++, I feel sorry for you man. I'm currently working on a Java project (we're extending a product built by other people in Java) but we ended up having to do part of it in C# because Java couldn't do everything we needed. I also did some linux driver development ealier this year - it was interesting work, but I'd rather not do it again.

BenZila

I think this will be the best version of windows in terms of stability, and features. They have taken the mindset of windows 2003 development(this version has to be final, we can't let the customers catch the bugs) and coupled with the new development model for vista, I think it's probably going to be the best release yet. Not to mention all the fancy new features Smiley

Oh, and I'm a technology (I need to watch my language), so i'll be getting it Cool

irascian
Irascible Ian

cain wrote:
Pfft, I don't understand why people keep saying there won't be any reason to upgrade to Vista. The new driver model will be enough of a reason for me. Add to that the extra security features like UAP and it's a no brainer.

As a developer you are assuming you are typical of the average user, ignoring the original question (which was about "the computer industry" upgrading and went on to discuss family and friends).

None of the reasons you have given for "Not understanding" the other comments relate in any way to the average user.

I don't think anybody's disagreeing that there's lots of good stuff for developers in Vista, but that is not the real issue. Yes there's lots for me to want to upgrade. No there's nothing that really screams out for my mum, sister or brother to spend money on upgrading.