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Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Manip wrote:

That is what happens when so few game companies are left in the market and don't want to take any "risks" on original content (see music/movie industries).

Some called this "maturity". But Lorne Lanning who recently closed his development house certainly agrees with you.

Manip wrote:

Consoles, being closed platforms only work to help create a monopoly.

Not sure what a console monopoly means in this context. Who cares? There's already a free (as in freedom) and open platform. Windows on the PC.

Manip wrote:

How easy is it for a small game company to create an X-Box game today? How much does it cost?

That's the thing. Development cost has gone exponential because the graphics card on the PC can do so much, and I think this is where console games will save the PC gaming. Console hardware will be stable for the next 5 years, and developers will be good at creating reusable engines for the consoles. That'll finally lower the development cost -- and engines will be ported back to the PC.

But to support the PC game renaissance, you gotta go out & buy console games!

Gaines

TimP wrote:
As far as know, all those claims of "it's legal if you only keep it for 24 hours" or "it's legal if you own the game" or "it's legal if they don't sell the game anymore" are just attempts to legitimize an illegal activity. This is why all those PC-based PSX clones from the late 90's got killed. Connectix (makers of Virtual PC, now owned by MSFT) sold a PSX emulator briefly before Sony stopped them.

Yeah, when you're on a moral high horse I find it's best to just ignore the law and make unsubstantiated statements about what others should and shouldn't do.

It doesn't really matter anyways because we all know that our morals and laws should be dictated by an industry that refuses to reevaluate their business model.

BlackTiger
If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.

W3bbo wrote:
Pfft, console jockies

I reckon it won't be long before we finally get a fully working XBox (original) emulator/virtualiser for the PC. Emulating the XBox 360 will be much harder though, but I reckon we'll see an XBox 360 emulator in the next 6 years (PSX emulators started coming out in 1999, 3-4 years after the PSX first came out)

Yo! It definately an EASY task! All what we need - to emulate 6 cores on 1/2! Big Smile

PS: Emulator for 360 will never be released, same as PS3. Forget it.

Rory
Free Tibet While Supplies Last

Gaines wrote:

TimP wrote: As far as know, all those claims of "it's legal if you only keep it for 24 hours" or "it's legal if you own the game" or "it's legal if they don't sell the game anymore" are just attempts to legitimize an illegal activity. This is why all those PC-based PSX clones from the late 90's got killed. Connectix (makers of Virtual PC, now owned by MSFT) sold a PSX emulator briefly before Sony stopped them.

Yeah, when you're on a moral high horse I find it's best to just ignore the law and make unsubstantiated statements about what others should and shouldn't do.

It doesn't really matter anyways because we all know that our morals and laws should be dictated by an industry that refuses to reevaluate their business model.

Wow. That's one of the... well, I'll try to refrain from being insulting.

Look - just because an industry "refuses" to alter its business models to keep pace with the rest of the changing world does not give anyone the right to start breaking the law.

Let's boil your feelings down to a simple statement:

"It's OK to steal from a business when one doesn't like the way that business operates."

Does that make any sense at all? The reality is that, if you want to change the way things are, you have to play the game according to the rules. And you can't justify your bad behavior by pointing to someone else's, either.

Your outlook, which is, unfortunately, a fairly common one, can be turned into a generic kind of formula:

"It's OK to [action] [victim] when one doesn't like the way [victim] [action]."

Like this:

"It's OK to kill a pedestrian when one doesn't like the way that pedestrian dresses."

"It's OK to punch children when one doesn't like the way children behave."

Yeah - these are extreme examples, but they're built on your reasoning.

Think about that.

Erisan

Yesterday I was playing XBox 360 first time. Gears of War and Call of Duty 3.

Gears of War was huge disappointment. It's boring, linear and really short. I think it's way too much over hyped. Controlling is PITA in console FPS games. Looked ok most of time.

COD 3 wasn't that good after COD 1 and COD 2. Linear pipe-running with annoying bugs.

Live was nice and worked well.

I admint I'm not too much into consoles. I like more complicate and versatile games. I think FPS games like Operation Flashpoint, Armed Assault and S.T.A.L.K.E.R are much more interesting than games I played yesterday.

figuerres
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Rory wrote:

Gaines wrote:

TimP wrote: As far as know, all those claims of "it's legal if you only keep it for 24 hours" or "it's legal if you own the game" or "it's legal if they don't sell the game anymore" are just attempts to legitimize an illegal activity. This is why all those PC-based PSX clones from the late 90's got killed. Connectix (makers of Virtual PC, now owned by MSFT) sold a PSX emulator briefly before Sony stopped them.

Yeah, when you're on a moral high horse I find it's best to just ignore the law and make unsubstantiated statements about what others should and shouldn't do.

It doesn't really matter anyways because we all know that our morals and laws should be dictated by an industry that refuses to reevaluate their business model.

Wow. That's one of the... well, I'll try to refrain from being insulting.

Look - just because an industry "refuses" to alter its business models to keep pace with the rest of the changing world does not give anyone the right to start breaking the law.

Let's boil your feelings down to a simple statement:

"It's OK to steal from a business when one doesn't like the way that business operates."

Does that make any sense at all? The reality is that, if you want to change the way things are, you have to play the game according to the rules. And you can't justify your bad behavior by pointing to someone else's, either.

Your outlook, which is, unfortunately, a fairly common one, can be turned into a generic kind of formula:

"It's OK to [action] [victim] when one doesn't like the way [victim] [action]."

Like this:

"It's OK to kill a pedestrian when one doesn't like the way that pedestrian dresses."

"It's OK to punch children when one doesn't like the way children behave."

Yeah - these are extreme examples, but they're built on your reasoning.

Think about that.

Rory:

HDNET on cable has shown some interesting stuff on saturday / sunday mornings

"Industry Insiders" is the name of the shows.

folks from CES, media co, consumer rights, eff and such talking about things like copyright law etc...

very good stuff if you can watch them.... perhaps also something MSFT should be getting into?

the show and perhaps widening the forum....

but if you can find the segemnts some where they are really good.

like how recent bills try to make any re-transmission of anything broder on the illegal if you take the wording of the propsed bill all the way.

like how media co. tend to keep wanting more control etc...

BitFlipper

This is hardly the place for console wars but I'll jump in anyway...

As it turns out, Sony severely overpromised and underdelivered. I remember vividly how we were told over and over how awesome the PS3 graphics was going to be, I mean, did we see the KillZone "engine-generated" preview? As we all know now, that was pre-rendered but Sony sure didn't come out and admit that it was pre-rendered. Instead they gave vague answers, something along the lines of "this is what the gaming experience would be like...". And the Sony fanboys ate it up.

So where are we today? Check this out:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/07/360-beats-down-ps3-on-tv/

Note that Fight Night for Xbox 360 was released in Feb 2006, so it was close to the Xbox 360 launch date and can hardly be seen as a "2nd gen 360 game". The PS3 version had 10 months to be improved upon after the 360 release. Yet, the results speak volumes.

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding...

BitFlipper

Erisan

BitFlipper wrote:

This is hardly the place for console wars but I'll jump in anyway...

Heh, console war is pretty much meaningless... I'm sure players will find the best console for them without stupid bashing etc.

BitFlipper wrote:

So where are we today? Check this out:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/07/360-beats-down-ps3-on-tv/

Written by Justin Martin. Nothing to see here... Smiley

BitFlipper

Erisan wrote:

BitFlipper wrote:
So where are we today? Check this out:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/07/360-beats-down-ps3-on-tv/

Written by Justin Martin. Nothing to see here...

There is a lot to see here. That is a pretty hard slap in the face to Sony when you considder the amount of bad-talking they gave to the Xbox 360 before the PS3 was released. So I would say there is a lot to be seen here.

Are you disputing the results of the live comparison? The article didn't make up those results, you know? BTW, his name is Justin Murray, not Martin. Not that I know who that is anyway.

BitFlipper

Erisan

BitFlipper wrote:

There is a lot to see here. That is a pretty hard slap in the face to Sony when you considder the amount of bad-talking they gave to the Xbox 360 before the PS3 was released. So I would say there is a lot to be seen here.

Talking BS/FUD, hype and unfortunately bashing is part of business. Consoles, OS, etc.

We know much more after a year or two. Time will tell...

BitFlipper wrote:

Are you disputing the results of the live comparison?

I'm not console guy so I not actually care so much Smiley

. All consoles pretty much sucks if you ask me... Smiley

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BitFlipper wrote:

BTW, his name is Justin Murray, not Martin. Not that I know who that is anyway.

Hahah, true Smiley

. I don't know where I took Martin. Sorry Smiley

. Maybe I should do copy&paste more frequently. But what I have read that guy's articles he has bashed PS every time. It's like asking Windows/Linux zealot to say something good about Linux/Windows.