Posted By: DevilsRejection | Nov 27th, 2005 @ 2:20 PM
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DevilsRejection
DevilsRejection
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I take no credit for this at all, I found this thread while surfing the Neowin forums and thought this would be cool to share with the C9 community.

What do you guys think?

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Hey Guys!, Take a look at my Start Menu Mockup smile.gif

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Like the new and redesigned Start Menu?

I hope you do smile.gif

Ok, there is my Mockup of Windows Vista tm Start Menu. But, I didn't do it just cause I felt like doing a mockup, I've got my reasons that I would like Microsoft to look at (feedback):

First off, let's say that Vista will ship with Avalon graphics environment and the other stuff, blah blah yeah, let's not be so technical here now (We are exited woohoo! tongue.gif); so for some reason, I was looking at all the nice glassie effect within the Windows and Icons and all other, and I said "why not having a totally NEW and redesigned Start Menu with Glass effects?"

So I had numbered a few questions users ask everyday: (even went to bed late just cause of working on this biggrin.gif)


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- Why the Windows Start Menu keeps being so complicated today?

- This Excellent Mockup could be the answer to this!





Q: - It'd be good to have the Start Menu Simplified. First off there is no more "Right Click/ Properties / Start Menu / Customize / General "Programs" > Clear List" way. That is A PAIN in the arse. Simplified:

Don't you feel like you get bored with all the recent softwares in your start menu "recent applications list" ?

A: Well, that's why the new Start Menu has this button:



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It's simplified, right next to the Search bar. You just have a few pixels to walk to get there, click on it, it would ask "Are you sure you want to delete your recently opened applications history?" "Yes" PUFF! done smile.gif Goodbye long long bored old way...

Q: - What about having a much simpler StarMenu, by remembering how old Windows like 98, or even 2000 had? What about that long way to change from my "XP Start Menu" to a good old "Classic Start Menu"?

A: - Well, there is no more long runs for that anymore either.... Do you remember how you had to "Right Click / Properties / Start Menu > select "Start Menu" or "Classic Start Menu" ? That is over:

There won't be any switch from new to classic. "Classic" has been there, waiting for you, along with "New". They have just united each other to simplify your things. Once you click on the "start" button, you will get a nice looking "Classic Version" of Start Menu, which is at the same time the newest and much nicer version ever! - Why this? There will be a bar at the edge of the "classic-New Start Menu" for you to just click and "expand" the new Menu options. Something like this:



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And what do you get when you open up the expansion panel? Well, all of the Windows XP Start Menu options, including "My Computer", "My Network Places", "My Documents", "Control Panel", "Printers and Faxes", "Help", and a few others that you might be able to "add" by right clicking on "that panel" and just checking the Icons you would want to show up there. smile.gif nice huh?

So then, that panel would be fixed, meaning there won't be ways it would get bigger if you add more icons... why? well we don't like huge things, so it would show up a tiny "navigation button" just below the last showing icon, so you can scroll down/up the other ones that are not visible in the panel. Something like this:


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Another option along with this "expansible" extension will be the "Quick Action Buttons"



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(however it could be called lol)


located in a little nice taskbar looking-like panel, in where you will have easy access buttons like "log off", "shut down", "restart"... there is no more "shut down / Open Window with differen options to choose / Shut down.."; all what you will see is A BUTTON TO SHUT DOWN. A BUTTON TO RESTART, ANOTHER TO LOG OFF, AND SOME OTHERS TO HYBERNATE/STAND BY... Right, there won't be more weird "Shut down Window / Choose what you want to do". You just click the button of the action you want to take, it would ask you if you are sure you want to do that (maybe something like "Are you sure you want to "Restart"? If you click "Yes" your computer will restart inmediatly; please save all your data and documents before procceding.")

Now, in case you want another buttons to appear in that "Quick Action Buttons", you can just right-click "that panel" and choose within the options which button to enable and which one not to... just as if they were checkmark options... then the panel resizes itself to fit the buttons of your choise smile.gif

Q: - And what about that Top Part option of the Windows XP Star Menu in where you can add your own programs so they stay there as if they where "Favorites" along with the Default ones that you use to do simple things like "Navigate online", "check my e-mail" and stuff?

A: - That is so easy with this newest and simplified version of the Start Menu smile.gif

Here let me explain this:


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See that image? Ok, that's what the new "Top Part" as you call it, would look like. Let me call it "New Quick Launch Buttons". There might won't be "application drag n drop" in that panel as it is in the current Windows XP start menu version... why? Because it would come with like up to 5 positions to configure. Let's say you will have up to five icons showing up in that panel that you can configure, either throught right-clicking them, or by the Control Panel applet > "Set Program Access and Defaults". Once you are on the configuration part of let's say, the "Internet Quick Lauch Button" a list of currently installed "Web Browsers" would show up so you can choose which of the Web Browsers that you have installed will be used as the DEFAULT one for all of your Internet Navigation stuff. Then that Icon can again, show up there in the new "Quick Launch Buttons", thus replacing the icon of the Web Browser you had as default before. (ex: the Mozilla Firefox Icon would show up instead of the Internet Explorer icon...).

Now, you still have four more icons left, what would they be used for?

Well, simple things that users like doing a lot everyday once they sit in front of their computers; things like "Checking the Calendar for Meetings and other stuff", "Reading and writing e-mails", "Loggin into their Instant Messenger application to talk with their friends/families"... those are simple things that user would like to have in that part of the New Start Menu... Wouldn't it be great?

But that is not all.. Back to the neat effects found in Windows Vista, it will have scroll left/right buttons so you can navigate throught all of your "Quick Launch Buttons" options; again applying there one of the nice and unique Windows Vista effects!

Q: - Ok, there is one more thing I would like them to get rid of:

The User Image showing up on the Start Menu.

A: - Oh even you would like that option to go away! Nice so here is what the new Start Menu would include:

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the newest and simplest way to let the user know "he is who he think he is"... So whenever you are wondering if it's you who is logged in your windows, you can go to start menu and open the expand panel; right on top of the main icons, you can find your Username, in a even nicer and simpler way, without the picture junk that only takes useful space in the Start Menu bar.

Now, if for some reason you still wanna see your user picture, you could easly do it by toggling "on" an option within the Start Menu Properties, that would act like this:

"Show my User Picture when I pass the cursor over my Username in the Expandable Panel".

Good huh? smile.gif that would apply for those who still want to have user picture showing up on the Start Menu.


Now here are a few full previews:


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What do you all think about my Mockup? Please feedback and rate if required, thank you! smile.gif


(I wish this could be interesting, and that if it turns to be that way, that MS could get interest in doing something like that... cause it does looks better than the old XP fashioned Start Menu...)


Note:

None of these information, names, images, and brandnames if any, are Microsoft products, unless it's name is registered under their copyrights (such as Windows, Vista, Windows Vista, Windows Start Button, the Start Menu, and the Windows® Logo). This is not direct Microsoft Information, and such information should not be used to give any further information to users over the internet, as such information is not true or actually being used for ANY Microsoft Product Development Project. This is just a custom creation from a Windows User, like any other, and it's under its own rights to delete and/or modify. None of the "features" mentioned in this Topic, are actual Microsoft Products being developed, unless they are undisclosed Projects. Should this information from this Topic not be taken as real facts and/or any future Windows ™ Vista™ upcoming Feature. This is just a CUSTOM DESIGN. MICROSOFT has not worked on this and this is not any user interface advance feature on ANY Windows™ Code-name "Longhorn" current, older, or newer released build.

W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters
I wouldn't use it, it requires more than 1 click to go anywhere.
Cybermagellan
Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
Personally I like it alot!

Now just talk the UI team into implementing it Wink
W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters
DevilsRejection wrote:
I messaged this guy at neowin, trying to get him to come to the C9 community.

And W3bbo, it won't need clicking. It'll work like the start bar you have now, with hovering.


Even then, it's hiding things from the user, requiring effort to show them. It adds no new functionality, this is obviously the work of someone using Photoshop who thinks they know how to produce "good" interfaces.

Hardly.
Not as user friendly... People have to learn which buttons shuts down, locks and logs-off; that is never a good strategy... Users are stupid they don't want to have to learn a new system, they either want the status-quo or something so blindingly simple that no thought is required.

Plus no real user would ever find any of the tasks at the top except those that appear when you click start, which means Internet, E-mail and Calander... It is like Google and not existing on page 2, because 98% of people only look at the first page of results and then change their search... Same thing on the desktop.

And the button that allows switching between "Simple" and "New" ... Well what happens when a user accidentally switches to 'New' and can't find how to switch back? That is another call to technical support....

I once got called because in Windows ME the useless "Welcome Screen" had been disabled at startup; apparently even if they didn't use it, having it not appear each time you start the computer was a terrible blite on their existence. I wonder why XP doesn't have a Welcome Screen today? Wink
Cybermagellan
Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
DevilsRejection wrote:
Well I'm not telling MS to blindly copy this dudes ideas, just to use it as an example of what a customer thinks is "cool" and unique.

We all saw the November CTP screenshots with that horrid bubble start icon, it means microsoft is still experimenting wit their UI. i just want someone from the UI team, or anyone who works at microsoft to check this guys idea out and to take some hints from it.

everyone at neowin loves it, as do i.


SCOBLE! Wake up...(who cares what time it is in Europe)...

You know UI people...we know "UI desires" *ahem* Or maybe if someone from the UI team can come on C9 and say why they've stuck with the same design year after year after painstaking year.

People imagine Vista to be new...give them new! People wont leave Windows because of a new start button. Also the more experienced users will probably be switching to Vista first...so they wont mind.
DevilsRejection wrote:
everyone at neowin loves it, as do i.


I mean this is the nicest possible way, but I think that speaks more about
the kind of people visiting Newin than it does about the actual design.
Most of whom have WinBlinds installed and are easily classed as power users.
Michael Griffiths
Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.
It requires too many actions to get anything done.

Clicking, hovering, etc - it's all the same: waiting.

There are minor things to nitpick over, but those are things of personal choice - like the Shutdown/Logoff buttons only visible in the expanded menu, or the limited number of programs available in the top horizontally scrolling area, or how easy it would be to accidentally click on the "Clear Recently Used Programs List."

However, I do notice that it's very, very similar to many of the "Custom WinXP themes" that Windowblinds supports.

I don't think it's a good "default," but I imagine that theme would be very popular with the theming enthusiast.

Michael Griffiths
Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.
Cybermagellan wrote:
You know UI people...we know "UI desires" *ahem* Or maybe if someone from the UI team can come on C9 and say why they've stuck with the same design year after year after painstaking year.


There's no reason to drag UI people out to answer questions, unless they want to participate. (And a blog post would probably be a better place to do it... actually, what about a permanent URL that mimics a blog post for Channel9 posts? Hmm.)

That out of the way...

Change for the sake of change is annoying. People don't like it.

I imagine that everyone who visits this site is willing to spend 2-3 minutes figuring out how something works. And, actually, most of it will be 100% intuitive: after enough time dealing with computers, they "make sense."

However, the average person doesn't do that. They might think "I wish I could do XXX", but they're not going to assume it's possible - the thought stops there. No "I wonder how to do XXX" etc. This is because (1) people are too busy and (2) people don't care and (3) people really hate farting around with that sort of thing.

The Start Menu has remained consistent for, I would venture to guess, a few reason: (1) A menu system can only be implemented in a limited number of ways, and none of the alternatves are very good, (2) people would be initially frustrated by the change, (3) any change many would not make a substantial difference to the user experience, (4) a fair amount of effort went into the original system, and a lot more testing to tweak it, so the current implementation is as good as they're going to get.

I would venture to say that changing the appearence of the Start Menu to symbolize that Vista is "new" and so everything has "changed" is something Apple would do. Good for marketing purposes, perhaps, but no really solid advantage.
Cybermagellan
Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
I'm gonna give it a shot
mVPstar
mVPstar
I'm white because I smelt an onion.
I'm with W3bbo, it requires too many steps.

Nothing should be "hiding" in the start menu because users (especially new users) look to the start menu as their starting point.  How will users know a feature's there if it's always hiding?


Also, I think the way it's implemented is a bit backwards. I'd rather have My Computer, My Docs, etc.. visible first when I open the start menu and an available list of programs as the collapsing menu. 
Cybermagellan
Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
Yeah alot of the "w00tness" is taken out by the fact that some of it doesn't work at the moment..

Click for larger image.

Woah!

I didn't even know this thread went this far!?

Expressionless I even stopped the Desktop X modd for XP... But I didn't know people from other places really liked this Sad Maybe I shouldn't have listened to my poor other "myself" jeje.

Well I see this now cause I was looking at some piece of php code for this website I'm working on and somehow I pressed the "Images" button instead, and I saw one of these images right at the top, then I said "wait a second!? isn't that my Windows Vista Start Menu Mockup????"

Jejeje, it's very funny I'm sorry for the laughers Smiley

Well whoever tried to bring me here to channel-9, I've always been around here, just never felt like registering... sorry I've got so many online accounts everywhere and sometimes I keep forgetting them Perplexed

Well If I'm still welcome then thanks jeje.
Chao now.
i just saw all this now - nice work man!

(and welcome to c9 as a 9er!) Smiley
jamie wrote:
i just saw all this now - nice work man!

(and welcome to c9 as a 9er!)


Yah thanks! Jeje Smiley
re - the "more than one click" comments above...


i didnt try it - so maybe it works like this or not.. but looking at it - im
 picturing you click start ( ball whatever) and it opens panel - and
the transparent panel flys out quickly by default.

perhaps add a pin icon for those who want it always
just there - just open with other one

combing the classic thin start with the wide was brilliant

and sticking the equiv of all programs - directly in menu ( dispensing with the commonly used) was also interesting

it seems to give the scrollbar start menu version the in your face OOMMPH it was lacking

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