Posted By: Cybermagellan | Dec 30th, 2005 @ 8:07 PM
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Cybermagellan
Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything
No this post isn't FUD spreading hateful filth however about the two hours I spent messing with the Macs in CompUSA looking for a laptop to joing my computer army.

Disclaimer: I own a Mac (G3 384MB of RAM Blueberry iMac) so my opinion isn't based on not knowing about Macs.

I wanted to know that if I bought a Mac I could do most my work (HTML, Word Processing, etc) on a Mac and do it "as fast" as I could on my current PC (That I plan on making a webserver once I get my laptop). So I walked up to about 5 different iBooks and Powerbooks and proceeded to open Safari, iChat, Word, TextEditor and browse a few webpages. Most the Powerbooks handled it fine except they were huge (I'm talking Pizza box size) and the keyboard was wide. Also trying to use the trackpad none of them (iBook and Powerbook alike) really detected my finger unless I pushed down really hard.

Then I tried to use the Internet, visit Channel9, tech.memeorandum, Google, etc. SLOW AS MOLASSES. Seriously, my Mac at home did better than the G5's they had there. Pitty really because they looked awesome and the price isn't too bad...however the performance (overall was unaccepable).

Now I went over to the Windows laptops. I found one frequently used Toshiba that didn't detect my finger dragging it across lightly (After looking this touchpad had wear paths from other people), some of the displays (an Gateway) seem to be faded however I didn't change the settings. But they all responded smoothly Internet was BAM loaded, BAM loaded, BAM (You get the point). I was really impressed with an Acer (3 Ghz, 64-Bit), clear display, keys were quiet, touchpad worked perfectly, response times, etc.

So my final test....write a basic webpage save it on the desktop, close out IE/Safari, edit the page and reload.

The Windows machines were fine though a few keyboard layouts I couldn't work with (Kept hitting fn instead of Ctrl) however the Mac layouts were completely awkward. I kept hitting enter when trying to hit Shift and etc.

All in all the Macs looked good, felt (casing) good, and a few other nice things...however when it comes down to it I'm not going to buy one...Usability, Speed, Size, and Durability are alot of the factors I'm considering.

That being said they had one of the Gateway Convertible laptops and one of the HP (I think) convertibles....both had the monitors snapped off of the mounts Crying The CompUSA guy said they never stood a chance.
DoomBringer
DoomBringer
Doom!

I once considered getting a Mac mini to round out the family of computers, but I found it lacking in a few regards.  The one I looked at didn't have the latest OSX and was pitifully underpowered.

As it is, the Mac doesn't offer any real reason to me to get one.  All software I use either doesn't exist on a Mac or has a PC version.  Games especially.  A lot of people say that Macs are for artsy-creative people, but all that software has analogues on the PC often enough. 

And thus the reason why they are moving to Intel based CPUs. The current PowerPC line is both underpowered and uses up too much power Tongue Out
bander
bander
yet another WinFX fan!
regardless of what everybody mentioned here, I hate Mac for one simple reson; that is there is no right button Perplexed
How Mac people are surrviving without a right button??

Seriously I was planning to get a peice myself, but after watching that mousy running with one button; I freaked out and hated Mac since Expressionless It was as if you were planning to buy a car with 3 wheels instead of 4...
Angus
Angus
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I am no fan of Apple Mac computers, but they do offer a 2 button mouse, The Mighty Mouse; I do however get your point about the single button when talking about laptops. I believe to "right click" you hold down the button, this seems a bit time consuming though. I was thinking of buying a Mac Mini, but then this came out; it is the same size as the Mac Mini, however the review I read of it said it was worse, I would buy it though.

Angus Higgins
At least you guys all have a reason for not wanting a Mac, which sort of means you've at least thought about it.  I'm not sure I agree with most of the opinions in this thread, but everyone is entitled to theirs.

But given that I am about to buy my third mac, either I am stupid or there is more to the mac than you've seen so far.  Of course the first option is a possiblity.
bander
bander
yet another WinFX fan!
Rossj wrote:
At least you guys all have a reason for not wanting a Mac, which sort of means you've at least thought about it.  I'm not sure I agree with most of the opinions in this thread, but everyone is entitled to theirs.

But given that I am about to buy my third mac, either I am stupid or there is more to the mac than you've seen so far.  Of course the first option is a possiblity.


What do you see in Mac, really?

As for me I see a dead development plattform, a stupid mouse, screwed-up gamming station, and less avilable software packages!!

In addition Mac itself is moving to x86 architecture, they realized that, why can't you see it Tongue Out
Of course, you want the best tool for the job, and if you prefer a Windows-based laptop, then that's cool. That said, you won't gain an informed opinion about current Mac performance by toying around at CompUSA.

And, stop the FUD about mice and Macs...please! I use the exact same MS Intellimouse Optical (4 buttons plus scroll-wheel) on both my p4 2.8 ghz PC and my Quicksilver 2002 G4...it works the same on both platforms...even uses the same Microsoft intellimouse software to customize the buttons and wheel.

If the apps you need/want to use are Windows only, then you are locked into the Microsoft OS....

However, those of us who split our day 50/50 running OSX and XP Pro can testify that both work well, and it comes down to personal preference.

And, on my Mac, web browsing is just as fast (I use Firefox on Mac and PC)...the speed depends more on the web server for each site than many other factors....but, I know that a G3 with 384mb ram is not going to provide a current read on what Macs have to offer....which is a relatively stable and malware-free computing experience.
bander wrote:
Rossj wrote:At least you guys all have a reason for not wanting a Mac, which sort of means you've at least thought about it.  I'm not sure I agree with most of the opinions in this thread, but everyone is entitled to theirs.

But given that I am about to buy my third mac, either I am stupid or there is more to the mac than you've seen so far.  Of course the first option is a possiblity.


What do you see in Mac, really?

As for me I see a dead development plattform, a stupid mouse, screwed-up gamming station, and less avilable software packages!!

In addition Mac itself is moving to x86 architecture, they realized that, why can't you see it


Apple is moving to an Intel chip...the 'architecture' of OSX is still a major differentiator from XP and its lame Registry schema which is a ready incubator for all kinds of malware-instigated hidden incursions. In truth, there are more excellent software packages out there for OSX than you could work through in the next 5 years.
bander wrote:
What do you see in Mac, really?


Seeing as you asked ..

It's stable, I've never had problems with drivers causing the OS to crash, but then there is a limited set of hardware.

It's easier and more relaxing to use.  OSX let's me do what I want without popping up stupid bubbles/dogs/paperclips/alerts and generally being intrusive.

Workflow feels more natural, it doesn't take as much effort as it feels like it takes on Windows to do simple tasks.

It is consistent in its performance.  I've had this particular mac over 18 months and installed all sort of crap on it, but it hasn't slowed down at all - which is more than I can say for the XP boxes I used to own.

It's easy on the eyes.

It's easy to develop for.  This might seem counter-intuitive to those that think ObjC is an obfuscated mess, but it is a *very* powerful language and actually fun to develop in.

The culture of supporting shareware developers appeals to me.

A lot of apps that are available for OSX are not available for Windows (Comic Life, Delicious Library, iLife).

Polish.  *Everything* about my mac feels so much more polished than stuff I get on Windows. The OS, the iLife apps, the shareware apps etc.

None of the above is really an attack on Windows, but more why I prefer to use OSX.

bander wrote:

As for me I see a dead development plattform,


An intriguing statement, why do you think it is a dead platform?  There are more and more developers attending WWDC each year.  Is it ObjC you object to? You shouldn't - there are plenty of features that would be great if added to C#.

bander wrote:

a stupid mouse,


I don't believe any of the desktop machines ship with a one button mouse anymore, but even when they did do you *really* need two buttons? Does your non-techie aunt mable?

bander wrote:

screwed-up gamming station,


Granted.  Buy an XBox 360 (if you can find one Tongue Out ) with the money you saved from not having to buy an AlienWare to get super-duper perf for the latest games.

bander wrote:
and less avilable software packages!!


No, just different packages. There is little I actually *need* a Windows box for, I can find apps to do what I need for this platform (typically for a lower price).


bander wrote:

In addition Mac itself is moving to x86 architecture, they realized that, why can't you see it


I'm okay with that, but I don't really care* about what's in the box, it is the OS and Apps that I love (as well as my absolutely silent iBook).

* Not true, I like the G5 having one bus per CPU (at half the CPU speed) instead of one 800MHz bus for 2x2GHz chips.
Karim
Karim
Trapped in a world he never made!
Cybermagellan wrote:
Then I tried to use the Internet, visit Channel9, tech.memeorandum, Google, etc. SLOW AS MOLASSES. Seriously, my Mac at home did better than the G5's they had there.


There are lots of reasons not to buy a Mac, but I'm not sure performance is one of them.  I'd suspect the Internet connection if those G5s seemed slow.  You said even your G3 was faster...  I work with a bunch of beat up G4s, and on basic web browsing and office automation, they seem about on par with the average P4 desktop.  And a $500 Mac mini is faster than most of the G4s I work with...

Rossj wrote:
It's easier and more relaxing to use.  OSX let's me do what I want without popping up stupid bubbles/dogs/paperclips/alerts and generally being intrusive.


You've never an app icon on the Dock jumping up and down like a hyperactive child screaming, "Click me!!  Click meeeee!!!" Big Smile  But your point still stands -- Windows does seem relatively notification-happy by comparison.  I don't know if I mind the number of notifications so much as the sheer variety -- balloon tips, toast from Outlook, toast from IM, toast or balloon tips from the antivirus...

Rossj wrote:
It is consistent in its performance.  I've had this particular mac over 18 months and installed all sort of crap on it, but it hasn't slowed down at all - which is more than I can say for the XP boxes I used to own.


That's a pretty good point.  Both Macs and PCs tend to accumulate crap over time, but you're a little more likely to want to wipe the hard drive and "do over" with the PC.  Happens on Macs too, though.  On Macs it's less likely to be a performance issue and more likely to be some kind of failure -- the dreaded Question Mark at boot time, a software problem that can't be fixed by reinstalling or trashing prefs -- or the desire to do a "clean" install of this year's version of OS X...

I won't buy a Mac for work, because they don't have a tablet Mac, for one thing; and it doesn't run Visual Studio for another Big Smile

On the other hand, if they come out with a machine for the living room that runs OS X and records TV shows... well, ok, maybe I'd put on a hat and a long trenchcoat with the collar up and sneak into the Apple store and secretly buy one, ask them to put it in a plain brown paper bag....

True story: last time I was in the Apple store, I checked out and the guy at the cash register said, "You've got a lot of nerve wearing that in here."

I looked down at my t-shirt and it said "Microsoft Windows XP Tablet PC Edition." Big Smile

Oh -- have you Apple haters/lovers seen this?

http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/ipod-giveaway-7-steve-jobs#comments

Hiliarious.  Found it on Scoble's blog.
Cybermagellan wrote:
I wanted to get a Mac cause with Windows I am constantly doing things, Opening another program, going to another webpage, just messing around with the computer you know? And I notice when I use my wifes Mac that I just do what I need to do and then go do something else...so it's also an experiment to see if I can open up some time in my life for other things as well.bander wrote:How Mac people are surrviving without a right button??Ctrl+Click will give you the options that right click normaly would. I've gotten accustomed to using the Ctrl + keys to do work on Windows. Ctrl+A (select all), Ctrl+C (copy), Ctrl+V (paste). I realize the Apple button does the same thing...but it's just a habit I'd have to change.birchpmr wrote:That said, you won't gain an informed opinion about current Mac performance by toying around at CompUSA.I initially went down just to see how quiet the keys were, the keyboard layout, and the size of them, I own a Mac at home so I didn't go down to evaluate the OS. But things like behavior (One iBook took 10 seconds to close Safari EVERY TIME) are things that COULD be a trend within a certain brand...so that's one thing I noticed.birchpmr wrote:I use the exact same MS Intellimouse Optical (4 buttons plus scroll-wheel) on both my p4 2.8 ghz PC and my Quicksilver 2002 G4...Mind you, you said MS not Apple. So even if it was FUD about Mice it's still applicable because it's against APPLE MICE...true I use a Logitech Multimedia keyboard with my G3 so I can't really evaluate a Mac keyboard with my Mac. However I went to look at laptops. If I use a Mouse with one I'm going to use a Microsoft mouse.birchpmr wrote:And, on my Mac, web browsing is just as fast (I use Firefox on Mac and PC)... On the G5 tower with the 30 inch display they had running with Garageband there....Firefox crashed while loading. I just left it running to prove a point. The minute I walked away the CompUSA rep went over and closed it, and left Garageband running.birchpmr wrote:Apple is moving to an Intel chip...the 'architecture' of OSX is still a major differentiator from XP and its lame Registry schema which is a ready incubator for all kinds of malware-instigated hidden incursions. In truth, there are more excellent software packages out there for OSX than you could work through in the next 5 years.Do you work at CompUSA? While I was there, a CompUSA rep was talking to an older woman in the Windows laptop area (She said she was 73). The rep probably as loud as he could said "But I want to show you something" and starting instantly spewing crap about Microsoft, and then said we have these Macs over there...the whole time saying stuff like "Microsoft doesn't care what happens to the OS as long as they make a profit", "Windows is on the way out, people are switching to OSX", and "It took Microsoft 7 years for the next version of Windows due out in Dec 2006, Apple has released one every year so far...and Microsoft is going to just copy them"I seriously wanted to walk over there and just say "Now please remember the price tag, the compatibility, etc, etc" however I've gotten kicked outa Best Buy because I sold a cheaper computer to someone than the rep did after he kept fumbling on what fps meant on video cards. And I don't even work there.All in all CompUSA was an entertaining experience.
No, I don't work at CompUSA...I admin XP and Mac systems and use both to make money and play. I like XP Pro, and know how to optimize it to maximize performance, even on dog-slow Celerons. I've also modded my G4 to max the ram, upgrade the stock cpu, etc. Unless that 73 yr old woman had mucho dinero invested in Windows software, I'd suggest that she consider the Mac, simply because she wouldn't need tech support to avoid spyware and other crap that still targets XP users (even with SP2 installed). The 'price tag' has to include the value of a user's time after purchase to maintain their system; and 'compatibility' is a non-issue for 99% of avg users who want to do stuff on a computer: ie., web/email/video/audio/Office docs, etc.My definition of the right tool for the job includes what might be the best alternative for non-techie users who don't want to be security experts or tech gurus just to safely enjoy their computers....simple as that Smiley
DoomBringer
DoomBringer
Doom!
One more thing: I absolutely detest Apple's marketing.  They promote themselves as hip and trendy, as if you're cool for using one.  Riiight.  They also claim to never crash, which is just dead wrong, Macs can crash.  Apple is just full of themselves with pompous BS and so on.  Microsoft's advertising can be pretty bad (oh oh my heartstrings! "Just like astronauts" my (I need to watch my language)), but Apple's takes the cake in trying to shove hipster crap in your face. Then again, I hate nearly all advertising.
DoomBringer wrote:
One more thing: I absolutely detest Apple's marketing.  They promote themselves as hip and trendy, as if you're cool for using one.  Riiight.  They also claim to never crash, which is just dead wrong, Macs can crash.  Apple is just full of themselves with pompous BS and so on.  Microsoft's advertising can be pretty bad (oh oh my heartstrings! "Just like astronauts" my (I need to watch my language)), but Apple's takes the cake in trying to shove hipster crap in your face. Then again, I hate nearly all advertising.


Apple's marketing is lame.....they don't actually make any TV ads that would give an avg user a reason to use a Mac instead of or in addition to a PC..it's all about the iPod.
Cider
Cider
Daze-d & Confused
WARNING:  Long rant!

There are two real things that I have a major problem with, concerning Macs.

I use Macs quite often at work, not as often as I used to, thank goodness, but still keep up with things on the platform.  Overall, things in the Mac world aren't all that bad.  The hardware is usually pretty good, design wise.  OK, there are exceptions (the eMac is both the ugliest computer and also, thanks to its alarmingly smooth curves, astonishingly difficult to pick up and hold without it popping through your arms like a greased pig).  I can't say the internal components are anything special.  If anything, where I work, they have higher failure rates than the big-brand PC workstations.  However, the design is pretty good.

OS X is, as Ross says, very polished.  There are definitely a few wows when using OS X.  I certainly have a few head-scratches with it as well.  I maintain the Dock is really stupid.  You can get some humdingers with it, like having two identical icons on the dock, one being a shortcut, the other a loaded instance, and other things which don't make sense.  And the bouncing icons are infinitely irritating.  However, it is now a pretty decent OS, certainly over OS 7/8/9.  Its certainly come a long way since OS X was first released, which was a buggy, unfinished mess.

I also have no problems with their keyboards, mice or any other hardware (except Zen Sleek > iPod!).

No, the two problems I have with Macs are, firstly, Macs are fine and easy to use, as long as, and ONLY as long as, you do things absolutely the way Apple perscribe.  And no going off the beaten path.  Ever.  And this doesn't just apply to being a user, but to being a developer, a sys admin, whatever.  If you are a developer, you'd better get to learn Objective C.  "Objective what?"  I hear 99% of the development world cry.  Apple's way or the high way, son.  You try and develop any other way and its again, fighting the system.  Scripting is just as bad.  Script the Apple Script way or face dropping into the murky world of bash scripts where scripting OS X functionality is a shadowy game of chance, where OS X will just decide to override what you are doing for fun.

Being a sys admin is no fun either.  Again, use what Apple tells you to use or get lost.  No fun, when half of Apple's tools (Remote Desktop, etc) are pretty awful.  And its not like they are helping you in your environment.  Many people integrated OS 9 into Novell environments with Prosoft Engineering's client.  Along comes OS X, and bam, they sliced this off.  Eventually, Prosoft came out with a client (unfortunately, AFTER Apple had there little wheeze to prevent OS 9 being installed on new hardware) but I think, even to this day, it can't do some complicated stuff, like, erm, print to many Novell printer setups.  Oh, and there is the Active Directory compatibility in OS X, which is what could best be described as "erratic".

The other problem.  Well, let's put it this way.  In the UK this christmas, there has been a best selling book called "Is It Just Me Or Is Everything Sh*t?".  Its a very hilarious encyclopedia of everything that is annoying in modern society from Live8 to Coldplay to Airport Parking.  The letter M starts with "Mac Junkies".

As you might imagine, the entry discuss those irritating people who go on and on and on about Macs being better than PCs when most people don't really give a flying one.  Using a Mac over a PC does not mean you are sticking it to Bill Gates or "The Man", it does not mean you are Enlightened, it does not mean you are part of some cult.  To a man, every Mac zealot I have come across is vastly more irritating than any Linux, Windows, Unix or Open Source fanboy I have met.  Reason?  For example, A Linux zealot will praise Gnome but slag off KDE.  A Linux zealot will concede that maybe some of the software on the platform isn't absolutely perfect.  Even Beer does!  For a Mac fanboy to slag off ANYTHING about Macs is almost seen as treasonous.  It goes over the line with the Converter brigade though.  Those Mac zealots who proudly boast about converting friends, family, colleagues, strangers.  Get people to try Firefox to try and covert them to that is a small free download, get people to try Linux is just downloading a free Live CD.  No, these people pipe up when people ask for advice on the spec of their new PC:  "oh you should get a Mac, and you wont have any of the problems Windows users have", and the poor people who asked for advice go out, spend a grand or more on a Mac and then, too often, get home to find it doesn't run any of their software and is not what they wanted.  Trust me, working at a University, I'd heard similar stories to this too often from poor misguided about-to-start-University kids.

Still, this person can go away smug in that he has has converted someone to Mac, thinking he's special, when really, all his ilk has become is an example of something that a million plus readers will see is "Sh*t"
Cider wrote:
Apple's way or the high way, son.  You try and develop any other way and its again, fighting the system.


Although not strictly true, you can write in C (or C++) with the Carbon APIs, or with Java, or with Java-Cocoa .. in fact pretty much the same as anything on the PC with the exception of .Net, and that is being worked on by a third party.

Cider wrote:

As you might imagine, the entry discuss those irritating people who go on and on and on about Macs being better than PCs when most people don't really give a flying one.


It's funny that you mention Mac Zealots and Linux Zealots and mention nothing of the Windows Zealots, several frequent these forums.  On the whole most C9'ers are well balanced people who don't feel the need to jump to Microsoft's defence or be apologists, but there are several who do see the need. OP for one, and should someone have not seen all of your postings in the past, they might even mistake you for one.  No platform is perfect*, and rarely worth getting aggravated over especially on the Internet.

Cider wrote:

For a Mac fanboy to slag off ANYTHING about Macs is almost seen as treasonous.  It goes over the line with the Converter brigade though. 


That's not true either, I slag off the mac fairly frequently, and lots of Mac bloggers have a convention of Apple Bug Fridays where they post a bug that they *really* want Apple to get off their arses and fix.  The Mac isn't perfect, but then what is?


* Apart from BeOS. Critical design flaws aside Smiley
brichpmr wrote:
Apple's marketing is lame.....they don't actually make any TV ads that would give an avg user a reason to use a Mac instead of or in addition to a PC..


Never seen an advert for the mac, but I bet if they did one it would be pushing the Mac more as an appliance than something that has a perception of needing a PhD to use. 

Never had a relative wonder how you did something very simple with your computer, and think it was a big magic? You need to meet more customers because these people are in the majority not the minority.

Making computers easier for people to use is a good thing, not a bad one.
Cider
Cider
Daze-d & Confused
Ross,

I did mean to say in the previous post that there are some such as yourself who not fit the "Mac Junkie" stereotype.  Mostly...

Anyway, to the points...

Rossj wrote:

Although not strictly true, you can write in C (or C++) with the Carbon APIs


This kind of illustrates the point I was trying to make - you can do things in other languages but are reduced to using a lesser API where, and I should point out I'm not a hardcore developer by trade let alone Apple developer, you have to do a lot of the system hand-holding yourself.  In order to use Cocoa, you either have to use an unsuitable-for-many-tasks high level language such as AppleScript or Java, or learn Objective C.  A language that was chosen with no deference to the Development community at large, and Apple have made no attempt to make the situation better.

However, in that I am not a programmer, that is why most of my points were about sys admin-ing and scripting, which I do...

As to the zealotry, I'm the first to say no system is perfect.  My job revolves around the quirks and conundrums of Macs, Windows and Linux.  The central point of talking about Mac Zealots was that it has got to the stage where it is an entry in a massive selling book in the UK aimed at the general populace.  That it registers that much says something.
Cider
Cider
Daze-d & Confused
As to myself, am I a Windows zealot?  On here, it probably comes off as that a lot, sure.  However, that's really because of the nature of this place.  In many instances, I find complaining about Microsoft products here shouting into the wind.  Its pointless because you'll never get the people who can do something about your complaints to respond.  Now, on Technet Chats, or on Newsgroups, I can give the relevant people laldy (as they say up here!), get on their case and sometimes it leads to things getting done.

That is why I am not so hard on Microsoft here and probably come off as more positive towards them.  I don't see that as all a bad thing.  I've always regarded Microsoft with the same view:  they are not going to go away for a very long time, they will continue to be relevant to me and my work for a long time, so I'm realistic and learn to live with them with the participation in Channel 9 as the Carrot, and participation in newsgroups and TechNet Chats as the Stick!
Cider wrote:
Ross,

I did mean to say in the previous post that there are some such as yourself who not fit the "Mac Junkie" stereotype.  Mostly...

Anyway, to the points...

Rossj wrote:
Although not strictly true, you can write in C (or C++) with the Carbon APIs


This kind of illustrates the point I was trying to make - you can do things in other languages but are reduced to using a lesser API where, and I should point out I'm not a hardcore developer by trade let alone Apple developer, you have to do a lot of the system hand-holding yourself.  In order to use Cocoa, you either have to use an unsuitable-for-many-tasks high level language such as AppleScript or Java, or learn Objective C.  A language that was chosen with no deference to the Development community at large, and Apple have made no attempt to make the situation better.

However, in that I am not a programmer, that is why most of my points were about sys admin-ing and scripting, which I do...

As to the zealotry, I'm the first to say no system is perfect.  My job revolves around the quirks and conundrums of Macs, Windows and Linux.  The central point of talking about Mac Zealots was that it has got to the stage where it is an entry in a massive selling book in the UK aimed at the general populace.  That it registers that much says something.


All Platforms, including Windows and Mac OSX, have their quirks and deficiencies. This is totally separate from the rantings of platform fanboys, zealots and illiteraties Smiley  The Win fanboys I rub shoulders with every day have strong anti-Mac opinions, most of which are based on tribal wisdom...not current hands-on use. The Mac zealots who don't know or use XP are just as annoying. All I can say is that once a user learns how to optimize OSX and XP Pro for best performance, and surmounts the learning curve for customizing the systems with the cool shareware out there for both platforms, then it's easy to draw the conclusion that both systems can rock; but outside of the protected corporate network, the Mac can be a better choice for home users....beyond the whole malware thing, the ease of sending bootable full/incremental clone backups to external Firewire drives is so simple that even a clueless user can do it.
DoomBringer
DoomBringer
Doom!
brichpmr wrote:

corporate network

That is one place where Macs don't work well at all, from what I know.  Trying to get a Mac playing nicely in a corporate network environment is like trying to herd cats, if you have more than just Macs.  Win2k3 has a lot of compatibility things, so that helps.
DoomBringer wrote:
brichpmr wrote:
corporate network

That is one place where Macs don't work well at all, from what I know.  Trying to get a Mac playing nicely in a corporate network environment is like trying to herd cats, if you have more than just Macs.  Win2k3 has a lot of compatibility things, so that helps.


Yep....in our corporate Active Directory, the Mac G5 farm in our Marketing area is not even included in AD management; however, here's a link to a cool third party AD integration solution...worth considering if you have IT support with competency that extends beyond the MCSE stereotype, and if your IT mgt is savvy enough to recognize the value of platform diversity in the enterprise:

http://www.centrify.com/directcontrol/overview.asp

http://www.centrify.com/directcontrol/mac_os_x.asp
Why I wont get a mac: Its impossible to play Counterstrike on it.
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