Posted By: Wells | Jun 2nd, 2006 @ 11:07 PM
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Just finished installing (took over 4 hours) and there are 52 processes running... Vista is trying to index my harddrive AND defrag it at the same time... wtf? My harddrive is just grinding constantly. Clicking on "Adjust indexing options" in the Performance window doesn't do anything.

I also just stopped over 15 services - most of them were completely unneccessary just like with XP - why do they have the tablet pc service on by default when this isn't a tablet? And IPSec, I doubt many home users will use it by default so why is it on? I thought this stuff was going to be fixed?

And why is there a destop.ini file on my desktop that is impossible to remove even with the Administrator account?
Cybermagellan
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Wells wrote:
Just finished installing (took over 4 hours)


Something is probably wrong with your build. There isn't anything that should cause a 4 hour install...
rjdohnert
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I agree, even on my slowest computer it only took an hour and a half.  Is this a warezed build or are you legit?

Cybermagellan wrote:

Wells wrote:Just finished installing (took over 4 hours)


Something is probably wrong with your build. There isn't anything that should cause a 4 hour install...
Cybermagellan
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Wells wrote:



It's indexed 4 billion items? WTF is on your machine?
noob mike dose that answer your ? and noob admin LOL
Cybermagellan
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Wells wrote:
So how do I run regedit without elevating to admin? UAP keeps popping up forcing me to run it as admin...


So let me get this right...your install takes forever...indexes 4 billion items and you want to use regedit as nonAdmin?Pffft...

Do yourself a favor and finish off the trifecta...disable UAP
DCMonkey
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Wells wrote:
I also just stopped over 15 services - most of them were completely unneccessary


Hmm, do you see a problem with this statement?
Sven Groot
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Wells wrote:
So how do I run regedit without elevating to admin? UAP keeps popping up forcing me to run it as admin...

Be an actual limited user, instead of an administrator. Tongue Out
Wells wrote:
Just finished installing (took over 4 hours) and there are 52 processes running... Vista is trying to index my harddrive AND defrag it at the same time... wtf? My harddrive is just grinding constantly. Clicking on "Adjust indexing options" in the Performance window doesn't do anything.

I also just stopped over 15 services - most of them were completely unneccessary just like with XP - why do they have the tablet pc service on by default when this isn't a tablet? And IPSec, I doubt many home users will use it by default so why is it on? I thought this stuff was going to be fixed?

And why is there a destop.ini file on my desktop that is impossible to remove even with the Administrator account?


You get the tablet input service because you might plug a USB digitizer into your PC and the tablet services would come alive then.

Yeah, I know.  We went around and around about this one.


Here's the bottom line: How much memory did you REALLY gain by stopping those services?  Measure before and after.  You'll save 1 thread (which is about 20K of pagable memory), but for the majority of those "unnecessary" services, that's really just about all you'll save - services are quite lightweight when in a shared svchost instance (and all built-in services in Vista are required to be in a shared svchost, with some exceptions (search comes to mind immediately)).

My laptop (a Dell Latitude C640 with 512M of RAM) runs Vista Ultimate edition reasonably well.  I stop the search engine but that's about all I do to tweak the machine.  I am fairly obsessive about memory consumption on Vista (I've filed many bugs about memory consumption and processes that are running that shouldn't).

One thing to realize is that Vista DOES take more memory than previous versions.  DWM (Glass) is a big culprit, it maintains an image of each window contents using 32bits/pixel, that means that big windows will take up many megabytes of working set.

Search chews up VM, but it's actually a polite citizen, it's working set (that's what REALLY counts) is quite reasonable.

What's your laptop's configuration?  If you run "perfmon /mon", how many hard faults/second are you seeing?  That's a much better indicator of whether or not your machine is overtaxed.

Try disabling glass - that can free up a lot of memory (at a loss of some seriously cool eye candy).
LarryOsterman wrote:
DWM (Glass) is a big culprit, it maintains an image of each window contents using 32bits/pixel, that means that big windows will take up many megabytes of working set.


Stupid Q: But won't Windows have to store that anyway? ... I mean if you have glass enabled or not you still have to store a bitmap-like version of the windows after they redraw.
Cybermagellan
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LarryOsterman wrote:

One thing to realize is that Vista DOES take more memory than previous versions. 


Why is that?

True I remember when my first computer that I bought had 32MBs of RAM and ran Windows98 (I inherited pleanty before then) and did what was needed. Everything from then pretty much scaled up appropriately

Windows 2000 = 64Mb
WindowsXP = 128

But it seems like Microsoft is just saying "The hell with it" and telling everyone to go buy a new computer just to run Vista...I know my PC when running Vista 2.6 Ghz 1 GB RAM works moderately well with Vista...but my laptop 1.4 with 512 runs like a 5 year old in a race...(trying it's hardest but still can only go so much).

It's something that's kinda irked me since installing OSX on my PC...it behaves tremendously better than Vista did....and not even made to run on it architectually. It's sad I'd like to have better things to say about Vista...just at the moment I can't. Hell I'm about to go over to Ubuntu before putting Vista back on my laptop.
spoofnozzle
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Wells wrote:
It's build 5384. I managed to turn off the indexing service and she's running silently at last...



Offline Files...

I had a problem with this... VISTA decided to mark all of my mapped drives as being available offline (even though it was a desktop) and this resulted in me having about 300GB of offline files in my PC, which the system then wanted to index and defrag... AHHHHH!!!

Finally worked out what VISTA had done and disabled the offline files... and everything (including my disk-space) returned to normal.

Just as well the system didn't decide to mark the internet as being available offline... Big Smile
ZippyV
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LarryOsterman wrote:
I am fairly obsessive about memory consumption on Vista (I've filed many bugs about memory consumption and processes that are running that shouldn't).

Thank you.



Can somebody tell me what that trustedinstaller process is used for?
alwaysmc2
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Cybermagellan wrote:

But it seems like Microsoft is just saying "The hell with it" and telling everyone to go buy a new computer just to run Vista...

I don't think so.  That's why Vista gives the option to disable glass, and all of the other un-necessaries.  It runs fine on my Tablet PC that has 496 MB ram, 1.5 GHz Pentium M processor, 60 GB hard drive, and a graphics card with 64 MB memory.

I think was Microsoft is saying, though, is "Wow, look at all of the cool things that a good graphics card, a TV tuner, a touch screen, and high speed internet can do.  Yeah, you should really dump your craptop and get something higher end, but if you really want to be a cheapskate, more power to you."


I'm not going to buy a new Tablet PC for a while, but I'm fine without the glass.  Everything runs quite smoothly, so there's no big hurry.

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