Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi : DEAD | The Coffeehouse

pacelvi
Phear

Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi : Enjoying his afterlife.

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Hmm...

dragthor
Kris Krause

I sure hope he is really dead. [6]

Manip

dragthor wrote:
I sure hope he is really dead.

"for man with no forgiveness in heart, life worse punishment than death"

(Both applied to you and him)

Shark_M

He is supposedly the reason many innocent people died in iraq.

So now we should see less killings in iraq.

iraqi people has suffered alot. this would come as a good news to most of them.

Manip

Shark_M wrote:
He is supposedly the reason many innocent people died in iraq.

So now we should see less killings in iraq.

iraqi people has suffered alot. this would come as a good news to most of them.

Your right... Because all though-out human history violence and killing has only resulting in less violence and killing, right? 8-)

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

pacelvi wrote:
Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi : Enjoying his afterlife.

Got a source?

Personally, I don't want him to be dead, t'would be better for him to face trial (even if it was just a farce trial), at least those affected by him or his henchmen could...well...y'know... "interact" with him (knuckle-dusters, anyone?)

Shark_M

Manip wrote:

Shark_M wrote: He is supposedly the reason many innocent people died in iraq.

So now we should see less killings in iraq.

iraqi people has suffered alot. this would come as a good news to most of them.

Your right... Because all though-out human history violence and killing has only resulting in less violence and killing, right?

not sure i follow, But if you are talking about revenge from his people, I think the time has come that they must realize that violence is not working. So live and let live.

I think humanity today are speding more and more on killing each other, when they should be investing in invention of new cures and exploring space. The future is in space exploration not in kids fights.

Its surpising to me because there is enugh food for each and every one in this planet. I guess the blessing of having a brain that distinguish us from "mad dogs" is fading away in today's world.

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Oh, the BBC is reporting it now.

Manip

Shark_M wrote:
not sure i follow, But if you are talking about revenge from his people, I think the time has come that they must realize that violence is not working. So live and let live.

So his people should learn lesions we are unable or unwilling to learn ourselves? And what right do we have to judge them when we act in exactly the same way?

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

Shark_M wrote:

I think the time has come that they must realize that violence is not working. .

Errrrr......

I am almost lost for words at your niavety. Can you think of many examples fom human history when this has happened? History shows violence begets violence - pure and simple. Political process is the only way out of the current mess.

Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything

W3bbo wrote:
Oh, the BBC is reporting it now.

Which means....

1)If the BBC (and not Fox news) is reporting it
2) "We have eliminated Zarqawi," Prime Minister Nouri Maliki - and the iraqis are confirming it.
3) And we read it on the internet...

IT MUST BE TRUE!

Manip

Tensor wrote:
I am almost lost for words at your niavety. Can you think of many examples fom human history when this has happened? History shows violence begets violence - pure and simple. Political process is the only way out of the current mess.

The political process? Now who's being naive? Tongue Out

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

Well, the dead face glaring out from behind a US army guy on the BBC home page at least looks like him. Beyond that *shrug* unless you were there who knows.

PS anyone else worry it was perhaps not a good thing to kill him on the aniversary of the prophet Muhammeds death? Cult of al-Zarqawi, anyone?

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

Manip wrote:

Tensor wrote: I am almost lost for words at your niavety. Can you think of many examples fom human history when this has happened? History shows violence begets violence - pure and simple. Political process is the only way out of the current mess.

The political process? Now who's being naive?

It worked in South Africa, its working in Northern Ireland. I pin more hope on that than bombing them into submission.

Shark_M

Tensor wrote:

Shark_M wrote:
I think the time has come that they must realize that violence is not working. .

Errrrr......

I am almost lost for words at your niavety. Can you think of many examples fom human history when this has happened? History shows violence begets violence - pure and simple. Political process is the only way out of the current mess.

I remain hopeful that one day we will come to the realization that we are all brothers in humanity.

Say in few hundered years we explore space and go find new races and new living things out there, how will they look upon us? will they say we are civilized?

some times i just want to leave this planet and come back later when things are better (lol).

footballism
Another Paradigm Shift!

But does it make any sense? don't forget that Osama Bin Laden is still alive:O

Sheva

pacelvi
Phear

Manip wrote:

Shark_M wrote: not sure i follow, But if you are talking about revenge from his people, I think the time has come that they must realize that violence is not working. So live and let live.

So his people should learn lesions we are unable or unwilling to learn ourselves? And what right do we have to judge them when we act in exactly the same way?

Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of western countries

- George Orwell
"Notes on Nationalism" - 1945

Manip

pacelvi wrote:
Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of western countries

- George Orwell
"Notes on Nationalism" - 1945

Are you trying to get your name added in the dictionary against an Ad hominem argument, or is it just random coincidence? 8-)

Anyway, that is fine... Most 'pacifists' as you call them, were once less wise ... Life is a learning experience. If you don't believe that people have the ability to learn and change then that might very well explain a lot about your attitudes... And less about other people's.

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

Great quote, except Manip allready had condemed both Zarqawi and the people killing Zarqawi earlier on in the same thread. Big fan of Orwell and his political beliefs are we? Or just cherry-picking?

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Cybermagellan wrote:
Which means....

1)If the BBC (and not Fox news) is reporting it
2) "We have eliminated Zarqawi," Prime Minister Nouri Maliki - and the iraqis are confirming it.
3) And we read it on the internet...

IT MUST BE TRUE!

I trust the BBC for unbaised and accurate reporting than Fox.

BenZilla

Yawn - one dies, another takes his place.

Couple of days of circlejerking and back to the killings as another person takes his place.

pacelvi
Phear

Tensor wrote:
Great quote, except Manip allready had condemed both Zarqawi and the people killing Zarqawi earlier on in the same thread. Big fan of Orwell and his political beliefs are we? Or just cherry-picking?

I find Orwell's honesty refreshing. I wanted to keep my critique concise, so the selection I pasted is somewhat imprecise but valid all the same. Manip's comments all seem constructed to morally equate Islamists and those threatened by Islamists and at the same time objecting to every action taken by those threatened by Islamists.

One of Orwell's points was the seemingly strange tendency of pacifics to be way more irritated by the actions taken by the West than those actions taken by the forces of totalarianism,, and Manip's comment history certainly reflects that.

If someone's true agenda is the overall reduction of human misery then one would realize that Western governments are way more sensitive to pacific criticism than those who threaten the West. Since the West is the party being targeted for attack, I dont see how weakening the resolve of the West's defense aids in the overall objective.

pacelvi
Phear

W3bbo wrote:

Cybermagellan wrote: Which means....

1)If the BBC (and not Fox news) is reporting it
2) "We have eliminated Zarqawi," Prime Minister Nouri Maliki - and the iraqis are confirming it.
3) And we read it on the internet...

IT MUST BE TRUE!

I trust the BBC for unbaised and accurate reporting than Fox.

I always trust the BBC when they state as fact the fabrication that the government sexed up various things.

pacelvi
Phear

Manip wrote:

pacelvi wrote: Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of western countries

- George Orwell
"Notes on Nationalism" - 1945

Are you trying to get your name added in the dictionary against an Ad hominem argument, or is it just random coincidence?

Anyway, that is fine... Most 'pacifists' as you call them, were once less wise ... Life is a learning experience. If you don't believe that people have the ability to learn and change then that might very well explain a lot about your attitudes... And less about other people's.

And the practical application of that theory in the context of Zarqawi is?