Vista's Best Feature (Remote Desktop) | The Coffeehouse

daytrip00

I can finally remote desktop at 1920x1200!! I've got 24" dells running at that resolution everywhere and finally i can remote into them without a huge loss of screen real estate.

Remote Desktop guys: you rock!

littleguru
<3 Seattle

How is Vista working? Did you have any other problems?

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

littleguru wrote:
How is Vista working? Did you have any other problems?

I'm more interested in learning how Aero works over TermServ, obviously Glass won't work. I understand when you're working in Classic Mode that RDP operates at a lower level than a mere framebuffer remote-desktop system (like VNC).

Of course, perhaps this will serve as an incentive to Microsoft to stop making Classic mode look so crap.

Rossj

At least something is still in there, I believe they've removed more functionality today.

littleguru
<3 Seattle

W3bbo wrote:

littleguru wrote: How is Vista working? Did you have any other problems?

I'm more interested in learning how Aero works over TermServ, obviously Glass won't work. I understand when you're working in Classic Mode that RDP operates at a lower level than a mere framebuffer remote-desktop system (like VNC).

Of course, perhaps this will serve as an incentive to Microsoft to stop making Classic mode look so crap.

I have heard in one of the videos here that glass could actually work over Terminal Server. It is somehow rendered on the client side instead on the server side, if I didn't get it wrong.

cain

littleguru wrote:

W3bbo wrote:

littleguru wrote: How is Vista working? Did you have any other problems?

I'm more interested in learning how Aero works over TermServ, obviously Glass won't work. I understand when you're working in Classic Mode that RDP operates at a lower level than a mere framebuffer remote-desktop system (like VNC).

Of course, perhaps this will serve as an incentive to Microsoft to stop making Classic mode look so crap.

I have heard in one of the videos here that glass could actually work over Terminal Server. It is somehow rendered on the client side instead on the server side, if I didn't get it wrong.

Yeah, I remember hearing that too. Of course it only works if both computers are running Vista, and the client is able to run glass itself. If you RD from an XP computer or low end Vista computer into a Vista computer it'll only be the basic look.

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

littleguru wrote:
I have heard in one of the videos here that glass could actually work over Terminal Server. It is somehow rendered on the client side instead on the server side, if I didn't get it wrong.

So I was right about TermServ being lower-level than a simple framebuffer protocol.

...but that leaves so many unanswered questions about TermServ, like:

Why is there more UI latency in TermServ over a LAN with <1ms between endpoints and a VNC client and server with 20ms lag?
If TermServ operates at a lower level, why doesn't it support Application Publishing? Why does it seem like a framebuffer remote desktop (a la VNC) instead of something like X11?
How is it possible to send all of those thousands of GDI commands over the Internet when X11 operates on a similar scale and yet requires a 10mbps connection to operate properly

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Perhaps they improved the thing with Vista?

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

jaylittle wrote:
As for your second point, I have no idea. For the first point I would generically respond that both bandwidth and latency need to be taken into consideration. TermServ bandwidth usage increases substanially when you start mapping local client devices back to the server (disk and printers) and even moreso if you try to play sound from the remote pc on the client pc. A lot of these useless options are enabled by default depending upon the type of connection you select in the TermServ clients.

Not necessarily.

When I connected to my LAN's Terminal Server via the RDP client present in Ubuntu it had less latency than the official client, it was fractionally slower than VNC but noticably faster than the official client.

And this was over a Gigabit LAN btw.

AndyC

W3bbo wrote:

Why is there more UI latency in TermServ over a LAN with <1ms between endpoints and a VNC client and server with 20ms lag?
If TermServ operates at a lower level, why doesn't it support Application Publishing? Why does it seem like a framebuffer remote desktop (a la VNC) instead of something like X11?
How is it possible to send all of those thousands of GDI commands over the Internet when X11 operates on a similar scale and yet requires a 10mbps connection to operate properly

1) That's pretty much the polar opposite of my experience, are you sure you are comparing like for like (audio redirection, colour depth etc)

2) I believe this was a combination of simplifying licensing issues and keeping Citrix happy.

3) Because X11 sucks? Wink

keeron
Obsessive Geek

Yup, you can use client side Vista and have the remote server running Vista. If your client can do Aero, you'll get the full glass when doing RDP.

Not only that:

Since Longhorn Server support remote applications (instead of teh full desktop, you can "remote" into specific apps - like Citrix, forgot what they call it in LH server). Now when you use a Vista Client (with aero capable hardware), and open a remote application, your app will also get full glass support.

On the newsgroups they mentioned that the RDP 3.0 for downlevel OS is coming soon on the connect site. That would mean (I don't have a confirmation on this) that we can remote term in from a XP client box (to Vista remote machine) and alos do that app sharing thing from XP. (no glass though, coz XP doesn't have the concept of glass/aero)