It's in the Koran | The Coffeehouse

pacelvi
Phear

I found this song/video funny, if irreverent...

http://www.patrickhenrysongs.com/ItsInTheKoran-WindowsMedia-HiFi.html

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

You're like the ChrisA of religious zealotry.

dahat

Minh wrote:
You're like the ChrisA of religious zealotry.

Perhaps... the problem is though that the video isn't far off from what Islam actually teaches. Sure it’s not it, but it is a large enough part that cannot be ignored by those who are not Muslim.

alwaysmc2
It's not stupid; It's advanced!

TOL (if that means something to you, then you are awsome.) that made my day.

But it's true, it's in the Muslim teachings. "Kill the heathens to save their souls" or something like that. Which is quite a noble cause, in a compleatly twisted way.

Obviously most Muslims don't practice this, but Muslims who don't aren't following their religion compleatly.

At any rate, that was just a funny video. Big Smile

dahat

alwaysmc2 wrote:
Obviously most Muslims don't practice this, but Muslims who don't aren't following their religion compleatly.

Islam is kind of a funny religion... as one who is Muslim can never truly leave the faith... at least not without risking death.

One of the fundamental principles of Islam is that unbelievers must either be converted, enslaved or killed… While someone not following their religion is still more or less Muslim, they vary from the norm just enough to technically no longer be Muslim, and therefore warrant death or enslavement.

I’ve always been amazed by the fact that the Suni’s and Shea’s have yet to attempt to destroy the other because at the end of the day under a strict interpretation of the Koran... the other side are unbelievers, and we know what it says to do to them.

Manip

Anyone that finds that religious hate crime funny needs to open their eyes.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

dahat wrote:

I’ve always been amazed by the fact that the Suni’s and Shea’s have yet to attempt to destroy the other because at the end of the day under a strict interpretation of the Koran... the other side are unbelievers, and we know what it says to do to them.

That's because those people are burdened by having to live in the real world, while you have the luxury of religous debate from a college bar.

alwaysmc2
It's not stupid; It's advanced!

Manip wrote:
Anyone that finds that religious hate crime funny needs to open their eyes.

Well, it really isn't a hate crime; it's what Allah has commanded. (that is, from a Muslim's point of view.) Ah, whatever, they're hate crimes.

I think the video was meant to be funny (Dee da dee dee dee) as well as informative. Now I know that the text is Suras 2-9, and it states that un-believers need to be enslaved, converted, or killed. But I also got a chuckle by the musical selection.

alwaysmc2
It's not stupid; It's advanced!

Hey, does anyone know if an on-line English Qur'ran exists? I'd like to look up the passage for myself. (Knowledge is power, yo.)

JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater

There are plenty of Muslims who discard the stupid parts of the "holy" text.

There are plenty of Christians who discard the stupid parts of the Bible for the same reasons.

There are also bad guys on both sides.

I think the scales are even, but we have more nukes.

alwaysmc2
It's not stupid; It's advanced!

JohnAskew wrote:
There are plenty of Muslims who discard the stupid parts of the "holy" text.

There are plenty of Christians who discard the stupid parts of the Bible for the same reasons.

And people who pick and choose the "good parts" of their religion are wrong, plain wrong.

The thing is the Christians who do it are "interpreting the text differently" or just plain disregarding it because they want to do dirty things. The text still holds true, those christians just ignore it so they don't feel guilty.

~~But we know it's not alright to kill people. So Suras 2-9 we know is wrong, dead wrong. (sorry, no pun intended.)~~

edit: I took out the debate-starting stuff. I like debating, but not religions debates. They (usually) lead nowhere.

Larsenal
ready to give an answer

alwaysmc2 wrote:
Hey, does anyone know if an on-line English Qur'ran exists? I'd like to look up the passage for myself. (Knowledge is power, yo.)

Try this one.

JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater

alwaysmc2 wrote:

JohnAskew wrote: There are plenty of Muslims who discard the stupid parts of the "holy" text.

There are plenty of Christians who discard the stupid parts of the Bible for the same reasons.

And people who pick and choose the "good parts" of their religion are wrong, plain wrong.

The thing is the Christians who do it are "interpreting the text differently" or just plain disregarding it because they want to do dirty things. The text still holds true, those christians just ignore it so they don't feel guilty.

~~But we know it's not alright to kill people. So Suras 2-9 we know is wrong, dead wrong. (sorry, no pun intended.)~~

edit: I took out the debate-starting stuff. I like debating, but not religions debates. They (usually) lead nowhere.

That's what Jesus did, he picked the "good parts" of Judaism.

Edit: lost the smilies

Manip

JohnAskew wrote:
That's what Jesus did, he picked the "good parts" of Judaism.

Is that why you guys don't have to cut your little guy up?

JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater

Manip wrote:

JohnAskew wrote: That's what Jesus did, he picked the "good parts" of Judaism.

Is that why you guys don't have to cut your little guy up?

You must be having a bad day. You don't make any sense.

Clarify?

DoomBringer
Doom!

JohnAskew wrote:

Manip wrote:

JohnAskew wrote: That's what Jesus did, he picked the "good parts" of Judaism.

Is that why you guys don't have to cut your little guy up?

You must be having a bad day. You don't make any sense.

Clarify?

Circumcision. He's talking about that.

Anyhow, like Christians are any better. They went through the whole Crusades thing, Inquisitions, various other things. Most religions have idiots, because there are idiots all over.

Larsenal
ready to give an answer

JohnAskew wrote:

That's what Jesus did, he picked the "good parts" of Judaism.

Not exactly. And what were the "bad" parts of Judiasim anyway?

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Larsenal wrote:

JohnAskew wrote:
That's what Jesus did, he picked the "good parts" of Judaism.

Not exactly. And what were the "bad" parts of Judiasim anyway?

I guess the seemingly aribtrary things that seem more dogmatic and 'barbaric' slash primative.

Things like:

Circumsicion
Animal sacrifices
The concept of "unclean" / kosher
and the 'good' things like reemphasising parts of the original Ten Commandments/Torah ("If you even look at a woman in lust you're commiting adultery", "You have heard it an eye for an eye, I tell you to turn the other cheek")

But let's end the conversation here, this is going to turn into a Liberal Vs. Conservative Christian 'debate', the ironic thing being that I'm a Catholic.

alwaysmc2
It's not stupid; It's advanced!

Manip wrote:

JohnAskew wrote: That's what Jesus did, he picked the "good parts" of Judaism.

Is that why you guys don't have to cut your little guy up?

Nope, that's not what Jesus did.
What he did is start a new covenant with man and God, which is why we Christians don't have to get circumcised, because circumcision symbolizes the origonal consonant between God and Abraham.

Larsenal
ready to give an answer

W3bbo wrote:

I guess the seemingly aribtrary things that seem more dogmatic and 'barbaric' slash primative.

Things like:

Circumsicion
Animal sacrifices
The concept of "unclean" / kosher
and the 'good' things like reemphasising parts of the original Ten Commandments/Torah ("If you even look at a woman in lust you're commiting adultery", "You have heard it an eye for an eye, I tell you to turn the other cheek")
But let's end the conversation here, this is going to turn into a Liberal Vs. Conservative Christian 'debate', the ironic thing being that I'm a Catholic.

That is ironic. I'm having to bite my proverbial tongue not to dive into what you're implying with this. If your line of thinking is what it appears, then you have lots of problems holding to a NT faith--even as a liberal Catholic. But we're ending the conversation here.

BenZilla

So the real paceveli is revealed.

Ooooooh the brown man is going to come and get me!

There are similar passages in the the bible that amount to "kill everybody who does not belive in god" and other barbaric practices. But most christians dont practice that. Neither do most muslims.

There are over a billion muslims in the world, if they practiced every single thing in the Koran we would be f*cked. But you notice they don't.

Larsenal
ready to give an answer

BenZilla wrote:
There are similar passages in the the bible that amount to "kill everybody who does not belive in god" and other barbaric practices.

If you mean that this is a general command in the Bible, I'll beg for examples. I'm guessing you've just heard this, and not familiar with the context of any verses you might pull from Google. Maybe I'm wrong.

blacky0shi

Actually I could've sworn the Muslim way was to surround their enemy and give them the choice to "change" per say. If not then...punish them. An eye for an eye. Also, it's not unless they're provoked themselves...they don't necessarily go out to force their religion.

Larsenal
ready to give an answer

BenZilla wrote:
There are over a billion muslims in the world, if they practiced every single thing in the Koran we would be f*cked. But you notice they don't.

You also imply that if every Christian practiced the all commands of the Bible, you would all be in trouble.

The Bible has many verses about doing good to your enemies, turning the other cheek, praying for those who harm you. I'm not familiar with the parallel passages from the Koran.

Larsenal
ready to give an answer

blacky0shi wrote:
Actually I could've sworn the Muslim way was to surround their enemy and give them the choice to "change" per say.

Is this much better than pulling the trigger before you ask them to change? You still pulled the trigger on those who didn't convert.