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erik_
Tablet Power

While it's not good behavior of the employees, it might be better to find the reason behind it. I can fully understand your anger that is not a bad thing, after all they are wasting money.

I think it is a better practice to find some way too see what is currently wrong, what is the reason of this behavior.

The current mail might be a tempory solution to the problem but isn't the solution. It would not take that long before you can re-send the email and it will just continue to raise your anger point and the problem. The group of employees with bad behaviour will only get bigger if you don't improve the social enviorment. Every new hire you do, will still be arriving at this enviorment where employees cannot be found at the place they should be found, or make a big mess, etc.

Get someone, with experience on this area. Improve this as soon as possible, read books on management of people, etc.

You cannot keep devoting all your time to this, you probaly got more important stuff to worry about.

Nightengale

What do I think? You got me, i have no idea. There is not enough information in your post to make that kind of determination. My gut reaction was, bad management, lack of leadership, and management by email-all of which are very bad for your bottom line. You are there to make money, your most precious resource is your employees. Your management style needs to be tailored to the specific situation, ie do not call the fire department to put out a burning match, but do extreme measures as appropriate to the situation-this email/memo seems extemely on the outer fringe of the company going out of business. So like I said in my first sentence, not enough information to make a recommendation to you regarding, what seems on the face of it, a very damaging memo. You are 27? You do not have sufficient exposure to critical situations yet, if your company is not being attacked by nuclear weapons and you are putting out cold memos like this one. Remember, you run your company, not your dad, he does things his way, you do things yours, have some balls and run the company your way, and suffer the consequences, and learn from it.

zzzzz
Yes its an Economy vehicle

Nightengale wrote:
What do I think? You got me, i have no idea. There is not enough information in your post to make that kind of determination. My gut reaction was, bad management, lack of leadership, and management by email-all of which are very bad for your bottom line. You are there to make money, your most precious resource is your employees. Your management style needs to be tailored to the specific situation, ie do not call the fire department to put out a burning match, but do extreme measures as appropriate to the situation-this email/memo seems extemely on the outer fringe of the company going out of business. So like I said in my first sentence, not enough information to make a recommendation to you regarding, what seems on the face of it, a very damaging memo. You are 27? You do not have sufficient exposure to critical situations yet, if your company is not being attacked by nuclear weapons and you are putting out cold memos like this one. Remember, you run your company, not your dad, he does things his way, you do things yours, have some balls and run the company your way, and suffer the consequences, and learn from it.

Good points. but this situation did call for this memo. It only went out after working with these people for 3 months. Do you honest think i'm that cold and heartless. It was discussed witht the Foreman who is 51 and General Manager who is 61 and they all agreeded.

As i said the old timers are very happy with me that this went out to stop this crap.

I have been running this place for 7 years.

Now the Reason i posted this is to see Manip and his likes get in an uproar which they did. On the God complex no just fourth in line.

zzzzz
Yes its an Economy vehicle

JKelley wrote:
This is slightly orthogonal but zzzzz do you use any metrology inspection equipment in your shop? Anything by QVI, OGP, RAM, or View Engineering perhaps? Just curious, if those names mean nothing to you no big deal, I just noticed your comment above about lab and CNC equipment and wondered if you got into inspection as well.

Yes we do inspection on low ohmic standards. Nothing lab quality we can do 0.1% but hey your talking $25 dollars not $2500 to $4000 from Guildline, Tensely, of Measurement International where measurements are below 10 PPM

Manip

zzzzz wrote:
Now the Reason i posted this is to see Manip and his likes get in an uproar which they did. On the God complex no just fourth in line.

What do you mean by that?

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

zzzzz wrote:
Now the Reason i posted this is to see Manip and his likes get in an uproar which they did.

So you were trolling, then?

phreaks

zzzzz wrote:

Now the Reason i posted this is to see Manip and his likes get in an uproar which they did. On the God complex no just fourth in line.

That's nice.

And some wonder why nobody can get along these days.

It's ok to debate and argue differences of opinion; instigating a fight for the sole reason of your personal pleasure is a complete different story.

You hoodwinked the rest of us. We tried to help based on your intentionally misrepresented premise.

Thanks for wasting my time with your petty personal forum wars.

/ya, I am sure you are a great manager based on this behaviour. pfft.

figuerres
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Manip wrote:

zzzzz wrote: Now the Reason i posted this is to see Manip and his likes get in an uproar which they did. On the God complex no just fourth in line.

What do you mean by that?

I don't know what *HE* meant but a quick look at the thread says to me:

the posting person has limited skills in HR.
wants to get more attetion on line.

seems to have personal issues we can't help him with.

wants us (or some of us) to waste OUR TIME reacting to his FLAME BAIT posting....

if I were a mod here I'd be personally sending him a message about how the appearance of starting a flame thread with no usefull point is probably not going to win any friends ect....

so like they say "don't feed the trolls"

DoomBringer
Doom!

zzzzz wrote:

DoomBringer wrote:
Interesting that you generalize about the people here. I'd like to say that people over 35 are rigid in their thoughts and cannot learn anything</sarcasm>

Well all i can say is people under that age don't show up on time, don't want to work when they are here, talk all the time and their quailty sucks.

Believe me i have hired and they fired themselves allot over the last 4 years. Anybody over that age i don't have these problems. So its a generational thing. I would rather hire some 50 or 60 year old guy or gal than a 20 year old .

BTW i'm a 27 year old

I did not write this letter because of what i have seen over the past 2 days. you should see these people time cards almost none of the new hires have over 40 hours in 6 day period. Our normal working hours is Monday - Thursday, Firday and Saturday are for overtime...

Well I don't "show up on time" because I set my own hours. I'm productive, I get results. I'm younger than you are, but probably just as productive as anyone else. More experience will help of course, but I'm good. I think you have a bad batch of people.

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

On the premise that this is legit, ZZZZZZ, simply pick 1 person a week to get rid of in a way that is known to the rest of the crew. It shouldn't take too many weeks before these problems cease. You'll have to hire replacements, of course, but you won't be training a giant lot of new-hires, just 1 person.

Some jobs allow for variable hours, but manufacturing does not, so you will be doing these people a favor: They'll learn that slacking is not how you get things done. Maybe their next employer will thank you, maybe not.

That said, I would also suggest you find a way to reward a productive employee, again publicly.

But, sending out an email is a cowardly way to interact. To me, it would sound like you didn't have the balls to say it outright.

Nightengale

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Might sound flippant but boy is it true