Calls for Vista delay | The Coffeehouse

Badgerguy
Badgerguy

Despite Mirosoft having taken allot of flak for Vista taking so long to get to market, some are actually calling for it to be delayed again.

Why? Well, seems that an increasing number of those who want Windows Vista to be a good, stable release are saying that given the present beta and CTP releases, it just isn't going to be ready for the planned RTM date, and that if it is relased then, it won't up to standard.

Robert McLaws is saying it
>Paul Thurrott is saying it
Scoble is saying it

And these people aren't the 'anti-microsoft crowd' They are generaly pro-windows people who usually defend Microsoft.

I haven't spent much time with the latest betas, so I can't comment directly, but I hope I'm right in thinking that most people will agree; to hell with shareholders, to hell with arbitrary shipment dates - the most damaging thing Microsoft could do is to release a buggy OS - release it only when it's good and ready!

figuerres
???

well I see this as follows:

1) if MSFT does not have an *AMAZING* RC1 by the end of this month then I think a delay is in order.
(by sept 3rd)

2) a lot of the issues I have seen and dealt with are drivers!
this is a tough spot -- basiclay MSFT can't force the hardware guys to do them ... and I am sure they are looking for an RCx to "lock down" the moving target -- the OS theyn have to work with.

3) I recall XP having driver issues when folks had to move from 98 to XP and the win95/98 drivers had to go.

I do think time is short... to pull off an RTM this year and a consumer ship in 1st Qtr of 2007 will be hard to do unless they can show us all a very solid RC1 very soon....

but if they can drop an RC1 say mid month and get solid marks on it over a 30 days window then there is a chance.

thats my take. the clock it ticking.....

MSFT where are your bits ??

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

figuerres wrote:

3) I recall XP having driver issues when folks had to move from 98 to XP and the win95/98 drivers had to go.

I had to delay the XP update for 6 months till logitech and creative caught up.

I don't expect to install Vista on day one because of the same problems.

DarthVista
...

Paul Thurrott wrote:
We might call Windows Vista a "train wreck" for simplicity's sake.

Just keep one thing in mind.

Vista, my friends, will ship.

figuerres
???

blowdart wrote:

figuerres wrote:
3) I recall XP having driver issues when folks had to move from 98 to XP and the win95/98 drivers had to go.

I had to delay the XP update for 6 months till logitech and creative caught up.

I don't expect to install Vista on day one because of the same problems.

yeah, I commented to MSFT that vista should have a MSFT web site with driver info.

allow users of the CTP / Beta and the other new builds to submit info on driver problems and crashes and hardware they have that they can't find drivers for.

then have a team at MSFT review that info and build a database a user can search to try and find info for the hardware they have.

also get the hardware folks to look at this.

so if for example MSFT shows that of the xxxxx number of beta users
yyyyy say they have that card and zzzz are having problems with it.

that can help the hardware makers and msft and users figure out where to go with upgrade / fix drivers / or whatever.

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

figuerres wrote:

that can help the hardware makers and msft and users figure out where to go with upgrade / fix drivers / or whatever.

Well if logitech act as they normally do with non-keyboard and mice hardware they use it as an excuse to not bother supporting older hardware and push consumers into a hardware update cycle.

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

blowdart wrote:

figuerres wrote:
that can help the hardware makers and msft and users figure out where to go with upgrade / fix drivers / or whatever.

Well if logitech act as they normally do with non-keyboard and mice hardware they use it as an excuse to not bother supporting older hardware and push consumers into a hardware update cycle.

4) PROFIT!

rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure

Another delay wouldnt surprise me. I would say theres no real show stopper in Windows Vista as is, just a few bugs. All the bugs wont be worked out though until Microsoft releases it to the general public. When they quit accepting new features, lock the code and put their efforts into fixing the bugs a general availability date of January is feasible.

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Let's hope the best... I haven't been that much happy with Beta 2. But it could be as with VS2005 Beta 2. All CTPs where better (even Beta 1) then Beta 2... Let's hope the best.